 LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | Siemens panel interlock kit I'm looking for an interlock for a Siemens 100A main-breaker panel...
I've tried the usual suspects (local supply houses, interlockkit.com) with no success...
Panel is a model# SEQ32100sm - 100A main breaker panel, 32/64 space config...
Anyone got suggestions for someplace else to try?
Plan B is a seperate generator sub-panel, but I'd rather not go there, if I could avoid it...
Pics are attached.
Overall panel
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 alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1 | Have you looked at Kit K-1410 from interlockkit?
It isn't the same image as your current panel, but the idea is that the main breaker would interlock with the opposite side row of breakers. You might have to remove the first breaker in that line though. |
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LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | reply to LazMan
I've looked at it - main difference is it's meant for a panel with a single-handle main breaker, not a dual-handled main... The other spacings look like they'd work, though.
I sent an email to interlockkits.com asking if it would be suitable; but they haven't replied yet. |
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alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1 | Yeah I was gonna post this:
Maybe you can buy a new main breaker that is single handle (if they are interchangeable).
edit - im looking at that kit right now (the kit itself) and it looks like even if it could fit, you'd also lose a bunch of breakers under the main breaker.
»www.interlockkitstore.com/Produc···e=K-1410 |
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 Zorack
join:2001-12-14
Fayetteville, WV | reply to LazMan
He's got a 100a breaker panel,wouldn't he need to upgrade to 200a panel?
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | reply to LazMan
ECSBPK04 is the Siemens interlock kit according to here. |
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alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1 | Doesn't look like it would fit at all. |
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by alkizmo:Doesn't look like it would fit at all.
I know. I thought the same thing too. I found another reference that refers to it in a non-Siemens reference here. The OP at that link appears to be a mod so possibly joining and sending a message to him might yield a confirmation or not.
I think part of why it doesn't look right is because it appears offset. I think that is a result of the main breakers having a different orientation from the rest of the breakers? If you look here there is a top down view you can see that there it's a little more aligned then the other picture looks. |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
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I've never understood why Canadians install their panels sideways.
I don't think they make an interlock kit for that beast. None of the US kits will fit it.
You'll probably have to get a manual transfer switch or one of those silly "pigtail panels".
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LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada
1 edit | said by nunya:I've never understood why Canadians install their panels sideways.
I don't think they make an interlock kit for that beast. None of the US kits will fit it.
You'll probably have to get a manual transfer switch or one of those silly "pigtail panels".
Because we have to have an internal divider between the main breaker and the load breakers, we can't run from the "top" down - it just makes it way easier to spin the panel 90 degrees, and enter from the "side".
A custom interlock is about 350 bucks - a stand-alone generator sub-panel (not a pig-tail panel, but an actual 12 position, 60A sub panel with a factory interlock) is about 200... So I think I know what way I'll be going... |
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PSWired
join:2006-03-26
Annapolis, MD | These things are a little sketchy but would get the job done:
»www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com···102.html |
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said by nunya:I've never understood why Canadians install their panels sideways.
For the same reason they have bagged milk, hydro poles, and hockey fans. |
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 dosdoxiesPremium
join:2004-12-15
Wallingford, PA | reply to nunya
 said by nunya:I've never understood why Canadians install their panels sideways.
Stupid me. I just thought the picture was sideways. 
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by dosdoxies: said by nunya:I've never understood why Canadians install their panels sideways.
Stupid me. I just thought the picture was sideways. You aren't the only one. |
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alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1 | reply to Oedipus
said by nunya:I've never understood why Canadians install their panels sideways. I don't think it's a Canadian thing...... hmmmm
As for his explanation as to why it's sideways, I don't agree, better have 100% of the knockouts on the sides than half at the bottom and half at the top. Nothing's cooler than a tentacle panel.
said by Oedipus:For the same reason they have bagged milk, hydro poles, and hockey fans. Milk bags
If you have kids at home, you'll LOVE the milk bags.
It's so much milk... IN A BAG!
You buy a bag of 3 bags of milk, that's 3x 2 CANADIAN liter of milk!
And the bags fit perfectly in those milk bag pitchers.
Hydro poles
We're just greener than you guys. You guys have nuclear and coal pole, yucky.
Hockey fans
You guys have football fans yet they don't get along with the rest of the world's football fans. Go figure  |
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I don't think it's a Canadian thing...... hmmmm
As for his explanation as to why it's sideways, I don't agree, better have 100% of the knockouts on the sides than half at the bottom and half at the top. Nothing's cooler than a tentacle panel.
His explanation makes perfectly good sense. I forgot about the "compartmental" panels they use up there. It also explains why the boxes look so sloppy with wire coming out the sides.
Here in the USA, it would be a code violation because the breaker handle must be "up" in the "on" position when mounted horizontally. 1/2 of the breakers would be wrong.
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said by alkizmo:Hockey fans
You guys have football fans yet they don't get along with the rest of the world's football fans. Go figure
and out football fans root for teams with 1 more guy, bigger ball and bigger field! |
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alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1 | reply to nunya
said by nunya:His explanation makes perfectly good sense. I forgot about the "compartmental" panels they use up there. It also explains why the boxes look so sloppy with wire coming out the sides.
What I meant is that it's not typical, it's not a Canadian thing, and I feel it's still pretty odd.
All load centers (even my old 1960s fuse panel) are made so that it can be installed upside down.
So why install it sideways when you can either install it upside down, so that the compartment is at the bottom and you can have circuits come from above, or you install it right side up and have your circuits enter from the sides (the side of the breaker column to which it would connect).
Side ways makes it that you gotta have circuits circling around the panel to go under it to access the second side. |
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LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | It's actually a very typical installation orientation... The problem with mounting a panel with the main breaker down can be height issues... There are min and max allowable heights. There also can be problems with breaker operation - horizontal disconnects are allowed, inverted are not, so if the breaker can't be spun, it's also non-compliant. This orientation (sideways) is very common in new homes around Ontario.
There's no need to wrap the circuits around the panel... I have 18 ko's per side on my panel; that's 36 15A circuits... That's more then enough for your average house.
No offence, but you have a pretty limited background in electrical, and live in the most strictly regulated Provence in the country... Legally, you're not allowed to do anything more then change a lightbulb dans la belle Provence. |
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alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1
1 edit | Im just saying: Not "Canadian" thing, and I find personally it less convenient than right side up with going from the sides.
Whatever I'm allowed to do in Quebec is another topic all together.
edit - For debate purposes on preference: Even if you have plenty of KO on one side, you'd have most/all your circuits entering from only one side instead of splitting 50/50 on each side, that doesn't leave a lot of volume space on the top side. |
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