johnnn
join:2007-01-25
Ypsilanti, MI | Request Thread: Netflix SuperHD/Open Connect Preface: I'm writing solely because I like higher bitrate streaming, not because I particularly agree with the strategy of bypassing artificially strangled peering/transit links.
Let's see if we can get Comcast to give us a timetable for OpenConnect implementation...or would delivering better video quality not be something they're willing to do for the benefit of their subscribers who don't pay for their video services? |
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 pflogBueller? Bueller?Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
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kudos:3 | Sounds great, but I wouldn't hold your breath. 
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 bradyrColumbia College ITPremium
join:2008-10-27
Sonora, CA
 ·Comcast
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I'm all for higher video quality from netflix streaming, but their 720p/5.1 sound streaming looks great through my PS3/xbox 360 on my tv, over comcast.
even if i could get full 1080p/5.1 via netflix streaming, i probably would rather pull 720p and save a little bandwidth for other nonsense. |
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pflogBueller? Bueller?Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
El Dorado Hills, CA
kudos:3 | Honestly, I'd rather they make sure all their HD movies and TV have 5.1 audio (when possible). But many movies I see that HAD to have had DD 5.1 tracks or DTS are sent in HD video and stereo audio which always bugs me.
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| What irritates me is the Ruku 2 XS supports 1080p and DD 7.1 but not DD 5.1 which makes it useless for people who don't have an HDTV that supports 7.1, leaving the only other option to be Stereo.
The PS3 is supported, but not the Xbox360 so that right there is going to cause a cultural divide.
My biggest concern is content. What content is available that will truly show the full benefits of Super HD? Will there be new content created for this purpose? What about existing content, will it be reprocessed or will it be recoded on the fly or will it just be left alone?
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Actually i'm not impress with online hd streaming. Nothing like a good blu-ray disc. |
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| said by data129:Actually i'm not impress with online hd streaming. Nothing like a good blu-ray disc.
Yeah, can't beat the bit rate and low compression of Blu-Ray.
Vudu 1080 XHD does look better than 720 HD on my TV, if Netflix is doing something similar it might be nice. If Comcast ever agrees to install the hardware on their network.
For 3D my TV can't seem to deal with Vudu XHD even though I've got pleanty of bandwidth, HD 3D works fine. I wonder what devices Netflix is going to get 3D working on? My 3D Blu-Ray player can't do any streaming 3D, only the TV apps can. |
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I do hope that we can actually get the decision makers at Comcast to listen to us and we're not wasting our time. |
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 n0xlf
join:2001-03-28
Castle Rock, CO
kudos:1
1 edit | What kind of bitrate are you guys seeing on Netflix? In Colorado I see around 10Mbps in what appears to be 1080p/DD5.1...
The content is also being served up locally, whether that is OpenConnect or just a CDN of sorts I don't know...I can post an IP/trace if anyone is interested...
Edit: It's not OpenConnect - Just tested it at netflix.com/superhd |
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| So is there any chance you guys at Comcast will actually do this? I mean I know Comcast and Netflix are supposed to be mortal enemies, but heck if Apple and Microsoft can get together, why not the nations largest cable and internet provider and the worlds largest streaming giant? |
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 egeek84Premium
join:2011-07-28
Livermore, CA | reply to johnnn
Re: Request Thread: Netflix SuperHD/Open Connect +1, please implement this Comcast! |
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2 edits | reply to johnnn
»forums.comcast.com/t5/General-Ha···/1534705
came across this on the Comcast forums.
Here is a link for Comcast to go to to get more information »signup.netflix.com/openconnect/application
From the deployment guide FAQ »netflix.hs.llnwd.net/e1/us/layou···2.4a.pdf
(Q.) How much network offload will the appliance help me achieve?
(A.) The number of appliances deployed and the volume of traffic served through that location determine the percentage of total traffic originating from appliances within a certain location.
A single appliance can offload in the range of 70%-90% of Netflix traffic, depending on country catalog. Multiple appliances operating together in a single region can provide even greater levels of traffic offload, approaching 100% for deployments of sufficient scale.
(Q.) What does the appliance cost my organization?
(A.) The appliances (and any necessary replacements) are provided to participating ISPs free of charge when used within the terms of the license agreement. |
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 whfsdudePremium
join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC
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You actually don't need the cache server to be part of OpenConnect.
Per PeeringDB ( »www.peeringdb.com/private/partic···p?id=457 ):
Netflix streams our content payload via one of three methods:
A) An embedded cache inside of your network, provided you meet certain traffic criteria (generally greater than 5Gbps of traffic)
B) PNI (SFI) at common private peering locations (500Mbps minimum on 1G, 2Gbps minimum on 10G)
C) Public Peering (SFI) via IXs at common public peering locations (no minimum)
Also v6 only uses their OpenConnect CDN. So in theory you could have this if you were using IPv6.
Hitting their OpenConnect CDN over v6.
traceroute6 to 2620:10c:7005:407a::105 (2620:10c:7005:407a::105) from 2001:559:800c:1005:b050:25aa:63c2:b416, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets
1 2001:559:800c:1005:: 0.344 ms 0.262 ms 0.228 ms
2 2001:559:0:84::1 0.568 ms 0.604 ms 0.620 ms
3 ae-19-0-ar04.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net 0.796 ms 0.866 ms 0.823 ms
4 pos-5-3-0-0-cr01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net 3.842 ms 5.997 ms
pos-5-6-0-0-cr01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net 5.051 ms
5 te-0-6-0-15-pe06.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net 2.848 ms 2.856 ms 2.592 ms
6 2001:559::50e 3.968 ms 7.177 ms 3.718 ms
7 ae3-40g.cr1.iad1.us.nlayer.net 6.596 ms 2.379 ms 2.324 ms
8 xe-10-3-1.cr1.nyc3.us.nlayer.net 7.721 ms 7.839 ms 7.849 ms
9 ae1-50g.ar1.nyc3.us.nlayer.net 18.203 ms 9.989 ms 11.977 ms
10 as2906.ae10.ar1.nyc3.us.nlayer.net 7.939 ms 7.905 ms 7.830 ms
11 ipv6_1.lagg0.c030.nyc001.ix.nflxvideo.net 7.976 ms 8.106 ms 7.962 m
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whfsdudePremium
join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC Reviews:
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Also > »techblog.netflix.com/2012/07/ena···pv6.html
If you've ever used IPvFoo (»code.google.com/p/ipvfoo/) you can see that v6 is only delivered via the OpenConnect network and not via any of their CDNs. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Vitelity VOIP
| reply to Mike Wolf
said by Mike Wolf:A single appliance can offload in the range of 70%-90% of Netflix traffic, depending on country catalog. In a lot of ways that's like saying "We're going to dramatically reduce the cost of operating a car by giving you oil changes for free!"
Just as the prime consumable material for an automobile is gasoline, the most expensive part of broadband service is capacity augmentation of the last mile.
So all this solution does is take pressure off major interconnection points where bandwidth continues to fall in price thanks to the growing availability of 40/100Gbps interfaces. Meanwhile it increases the load on the last mile infrastructure where equipment costs are declining at 1/100th the rate because of the high degree of specialization in the infrastructure.
Netflix makes out like a bandit though -- with the caching devices in place on the ISP networks, their transit costs can drop substantially. |
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 CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | reply to Mike Wolf
MS and Apple are only "together" to try to get rid of the competition. Other than that, they aren't together. |
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Dunno about that, but it sounds like your against this? I was just quoting what the .pdf said. |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by Mike Wolf:Dunno about that, but it sounds like your against this? I just don't understand why any broadband provider would sign up for this.
Like I said, it's an awesome deal for Netflix. |
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