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Ghastlyone
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Re: Need help building a desktop gaming computer

said by Krisnatharok:

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Damn dude, I didn't know it was that bad. Literally taking a 4.2ghz overclock on an AMD Quad Core just to match an i3 Dual Core @ 3.3ghz. And more power usage and heat at that.

I feel ashamed now even recommending the AMD FX that I did.


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Good information but not really germane to the OP and his $600-Canadian budget--you can't really fit an i5-3570K and 7870 without cannibalizing money from other areas (i.e. bottom-of-the-barrel mobo/ram/psu/case).
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said by Ghastlyone:

said by Krisnatharok:

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Damn dude, I didn't know it was that bad. Literally taking a 4.2ghz overclock on an AMD Quad Core just to match an i3 Dual Core @ 3.3ghz. And more power usage and heat at that.

I feel ashamed now even recommending the AMD FX that I did.

4.2 GHz (4.3 GHz turbo) is the stock speed out of the box. You could probably push it a couple 100 mhz faster to match or edge out the i3 with a good cooler, but that will add additional cost.

It's really only the remotely viable choice for fanboys--any other Bulldozer/Piledriver is a waste of cash.
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Maven
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Thank you for the suggestions. I will be looking into them tonight.


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said by Krisnatharok:

Good information but not really germane to the OP and his $600-Canadian budget--you can't really fit an i5-3570K and 7870 without cannibalizing money from other areas (i.e. bottom-of-the-barrel mobo/ram/psu/case).

I was giving an example of what I would do as an idea to save some money by upgrading a current machine. The article I linked is definitely related to the OP's question. Especially the Econobon on the 2nd page.


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You're right, I missed the Econobox, although their prices will be less than what you can get it for in Canada. It's very similar to what I put together.
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Gordo74
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said by Krisnatharok:

You asked for a build on your budget, so here it goes. This system should even be able to handle Far Cry 3 on decent settings. Prices shown are all Canadian and reflect shipping, as well as any MIRs available.

• CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core CPU (COMBO w/MOBO) - $130
• Mobo: ASRock Z77M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $103
• Memory: G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $46
• GPU: SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 - $116
• HDD: Western Digital WD Black WD5003AZEX 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache - $90
• PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $51
• Case: Rosewill LINE-M Micro-ATX Mini Tower Computer Case, Dual USB 3.0, come with Dual Fans, Support up to 4 Fans, 12.5" card - $51
• ODD: ASUS 24X DVD Burner SATA - $27
TOTAL: $614 w/shipping and rebates

Possible upgrades:
• $54 will step you up to a considerably beefier Radeon 7850 GPU
• $15 will step you up to a full-size mobo (COMBO)
• $15 will step you up to a full-size case--recommended if you upgrade your mobo to full-size (try this one or this one)
• $20 more will upgrade the HDD to a 1TB Caviar Black
• $97 will add a 90 GB SSD for much faster boot times and loading screens

Hope this helps--feedback is appreciated.

Build this, but make the video card a 7850, which is still $50 under you $700 budget. This will easily play any game on High settings for years to come as long as it is on one monitor.

To save an extra $20, you could go with a WD Blue Series hard drive, which I actually find runs quieter and just as fast in real world performance.

»www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as···22136769


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Maven initially said "$500-600," then came back and said "If I have to pay $700, I'll just get a laptop."

I think the laptop reasoning is flawed as all he'll be able to buy at that point is a GT630M and a 768p LCD at either 11, 13, or 14" form factors. Not much of a computer.

If he could afford the computer I put together for him with the 7850, that would be a rather beastly rig that should have no problem with any current games.

Add a 32GB SSD for caching and it should fly.
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Maven
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Hey guys, I'm kinda swamped right now so this whole computer buying business is on the backburner, but I should be able to looking into this Sunday (hopefully).

I haven't abandoned the idea of buying a desktop BTW, so I appreciate all the suggestions.



Maven
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Hey Krisnatharok, thank you for your suggestion. I think I may just go with your build.

Quick question though - what is the point of moving up to a full sized motherboard and case?

Also, do you know if the build you outlined would be reasonably quiet? I'm kinda difficult about fan noise.



Krisnatharok
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It will be relatively quiet.

You can certainly go for a "cool n quiet" PC case and a fanless PSU, but it will cost more.

It's almost as if the saying "you can have fast, quiet, and cheap--pick two of three" is true here. I think the Rosewill fanless PSU is $170USD.

I don't think you need to resort to those measures though. Build it, assess the noise levels (it will be quiet), then go from there.
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Here is some perspective. Buy the best you can afford right now that will meet the Windows Recommended System Requirements for your games or soft-wares. Read more about passive cooling if you want quiet. i7 is for bragging rights.

Far Cry 3 system requirements (recommended)

CPU: 2.4 GHz quad core Intel
RAM: 2GB
Graphics: DirectX 11 compatible card with 1GB of video memory, Nvidia 400-series or better



Maven
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So is there no point in upgrading to a full sized motherboard and case besides wanting more space for extra hard-drives and such?


BlitzenZeus
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More expansion slots, like usually four memory slots instead of just two, and room for more expansion cards. A mid tower holds a full size board just fine, and it's the most common type of case people buy.



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On the topic of quiet, if you can find the spare cash, these cases are the duck's innards.

»www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&prod=99

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High density noise-reducing material for an optimal silent case - To achieve a high level of noise reduction, material with mass should be incorporated which is what we strive to achieve with the dense bitumen used on the side panels.
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Maven
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How can I know about bottlenecks? For example, using a Radeon 7850 with an i3?

EDIT: NVM, the i3 is apparently fine.

I'm just about ready to purchase this thing. If anyone could suggest another case though, that would be great.



Maven
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OK I found a case, here is my shopping cart. Any feedback is appreciated.

Fractal Design Arc Mini Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 Fractal Design Silent Fans - $89.99
»www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as···11352008

EDIMAX EW-7612PIn PCI Express Wireless Adapter - $24.99

SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card - 119.99

CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - 64.99

Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor ... +
ASRock Z77M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $232.98

For a grand total of $600 after taxes and shipping.

I have a spare HDD.



Gordo74
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I think that looks good, however, I cannot stress enough, *if* you can upgrade to a 7850, I would do that in a heartbeat.



Maven
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The 7850 recommends a minimum of 500W PSU, which is what I would be getting as per the build Krisnatharok suggested.

Wouldn't I need to upgrade the PSU?



Krisnatharok
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I think you may be forgetting memory and optical drive...

The 7850's TDP is 130w, so you could get away with a 400w PSU if it's a good one. But a 500w is more than spacious.



Gordo74
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said by Maven:

The 7850 recommends a minimum of 500W PSU, which is what I would be getting as per the build Krisnatharok suggested.

Wouldn't I need to upgrade the PSU?

No. With that build, you will be using a MAX of 300w. They put that in so people with dual power hungry processors/16 sticks of RAM, and 4 hard drives won't complain when their new video card finally pushes them over the edge.

Long story short - your 500w PSU will be enough for any under $400 single card on the market with that build.


Maven
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The order is complete!

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAO

Fractal Design Arc Mini Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 Fractal Design Silent Fans

Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor ...

ASRock Z77M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

1 x Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

CORSAIR CX500M 500W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

I know I could have spent a little more for a better video card and processor, but I know I won't be playing heavy-duty games so I stuck with the more quiet components. I'll be playing Blizzard and Maxis games, basically. I figured I would upgrade in a couple of years, and by then maybe games will be able to utilize the power of the i7.

Thanks to everyone, especially Krisnatharok for outlining the build I chose.



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Keep us posted on how it goes!



Maven
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Waiting on the components, they're in the mail.

I was just wondering, would getting an alternative cooling solution be worth it? Since this processor shouldn't run that hot, maybe it would be overkill.



Krisnatharok
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You should be fine with the stock cooler, but if you want a little extra, get the Hyper 212+ for ~$20.



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I was fine with the stock cooler on an i5-2500k, even heavy gaming - until I started to rip DVD's. That pushed it to the limit and it kept throttling back to avoid overheating itself. A Hyper 212+ took care of that.



Krisnatharok
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The Sandy Bridge CPUs run a lot cooler than the Ivy Bridge CPUs--but this is an i3, and I just finished a build with one of these, and the stock cooler is fine.

To show you how much hotter the IB chips run, the i5-3450 I used in my stepson's computer was unstable when gaming. I tried reseating the heat sink a couple times, and reapplying TIM, so I just tossed the stock cooler and put an aftermarket one on it.
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xrobertcmx
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$700? I think it could be done and done well.
$189 for the FX-8350
$149 GTX 650 ti (EVGA) -$10 rebate
$89 GA-970A-D3 motherboard -$10 rebate
$48.99 Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2x4GB)
$69.99 CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 -$20 rebate ($57.99 at amazon, but no rebate.)
$56.99 SilverStone Precision case (Amazon is the same and ships free)
$39.99 LG Black 10X BD-ROM 16X
$49.25 Noctua Ultra Silent CPU Cooler at Amazon.
Total $692.21 and $40 in rebates that I hate so I don't include them in the the total.
This build would be somewhat akin to what I use, I have a higher end motherboard, an Antec P180 case, and a HD6870 graphics card, but the TI I played with at a friends house seemed smoother in Skyrim.
Would still need Windows, 7 is $89.99 at Amazon or $99.99 at NewEgg. Switch to a standard DVD-Rom (, lose the cooler to go stock, won't be as quiet but that would give us a bit. A Rosewill power supply will save $20 and be reliable...and thus Windows is paid for. Pick up the Noctua or similar CPU cooler next paycheck.
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You left out the OS.
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Krisnatharok
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said by xrobertcmx:

You left out the OS.

Read the OP.

said by Maven:

So far, I have a Windows 8 Pro 64 bit license and a monitor. I need the actual computer, including the case/power supply.

- snip -

I'll be using NCIX.com or newegg.ca