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Re: Voltage Versus Teksavvy, Round 2 Continued The more I think about it the more I think the 1000 IP's that were dropped from the "lawlsuit" were the dynamic IP's. The balance are either cable or static. with some dynamic maybe.
Which reminds me (I have dynamic), I haven't reset my modem the past 2 months and make another fake MAC to get a diff IP. I will do this within a week. I tend to do this every few months (as mods with IP access will know). Otherwise videotron will keep you on the same IP for almost a year.
That is not good, privacy wise. And people should know this.
That leaves a big hole no matter what log retentions are, even if log retention was 1 day. You have voip or other with the likes of teksavvy and it's a privacy problem with these type trolling lawsuits since they give you a static. I do believe it's part of the E-911 solution with TSI, which makes sense on one hand and a problem on the other hand. Marc would have to detail the specifics of this.
But a static = problem.
From a privacy standpoint, the only way I can see around this would be if Teksavvy could somehow separate voip from net and tunnel only net via a proxy to give a diff IP, while voip gives true IP.
Anyone on the same page following me? Or am I wrong?
Years ago there was a Montreal company who did this, their current name is/was Radial Point (Bell bought them). Prior to that they had a diff name and I don't recall it. U.S. FBI and CIA came down on them. Was on the front page of the Montreal gazette at the time. Late 90's. Since they couldn't trace people.
But that is the only way to prevent this. Similar to Acanac's online PC, but this went though like 12 PC's with diff IP's.
In other-words, proxy-chaining, which is better than the regular vpn.
Today, people could buy this type of service, or create their own like I do with hacked PC's as I detailed in the teksavvy forum. But a bought service like this.. hmm... I only know of one.. JonDo, »anonymous-proxy-servers.net/
The free service will chain you through 2 proxy's. The paid service through a few all in different jurisdictions. Thus diff priv laws and retention laws depending on the country of the chain in your proxy.
anyhow.... I'm sure with the group of people in this forum only a handful are following.
But if TSI would come out with this type of service, or even become a service operator for the likes of JonDo (and they could since they sit on BW and IP's), I would buy them.
Privacy sells.
Anyhow....
Marc, out of the 1000 IP's, how many of those are static? |
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| Actually, there were errors found on Dec 18, 42 people who had been contacted in error, and 92 who hadn't been contacted due to mistakes in converting IP to subscriber.
I would assume if there were mistakes like that, those would be dynamic IPs.
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| said by resa1983:Actually, there were errors found on Dec 18, 42 people who had been contacted in error, and 92 who hadn't been contacted due to mistakes in converting IP to subscriber.
I would assume if there were mistakes like that, those would be dynamic IPs.
So at least 134 errors out of 1000 IP's that we know of? That's reliable!! 
Or were we still at 2000 Ip's at that point? Either way, it's not good. |
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| said by rednekcowboy:said by resa1983:Actually, there were errors found on Dec 18, 42 people who had been contacted in error, and 92 who hadn't been contacted due to mistakes in converting IP to subscriber.
I would assume if there were mistakes like that, those would be dynamic IPs.
So at least 134 errors out of 1000 IP's that we know of? That's reliable!! Or were we still at 2000 Ip's at that point? Either way, it's not good. Voltage originally gave 4000 IPs or so. Came back a week later, dropped it to ~2200. Due to technical reasons, Teksavvy had to further pare that back to ~1100.
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| said by resa1983:said by rednekcowboy:said by resa1983:Actually, there were errors found on Dec 18, 42 people who had been contacted in error, and 92 who hadn't been contacted due to mistakes in converting IP to subscriber.
I would assume if there were mistakes like that, those would be dynamic IPs.
So at least 134 errors out of 1000 IP's that we know of? That's reliable!! Or were we still at 2000 Ip's at that point? Either way, it's not good. Voltage originally gave 4000 IPs or so. Came back a week later, dropped it to ~2200. Due to technical reasons, Teksavvy had to further pare that back to ~1100. So roughly a 10% margin of error, or am I over-simplifying it? |
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Think its oversimplifying the numbers, yes, as they'd already begun work on the 4k, when the new list came in.
As well, they had to do the entire 2200 list.
So, 5% ish.
Keep in mind this was also done in a hurry so that they could get notices out, and that since then they've gone through the list twice again to make sure they got it correct.
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said by resa1983:I would assume if there were mistakes like that, those would be dynamic IPs.
Yeah. I agree with that. |
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@videotron.ca | So back to the question posed further up...
Now that both Voltage and CIPPIC replied, is there supposed to be a date issued now where the Judge will decide to allow or disallow the intervention by CIPPIC? If so, any info on when the Judge will sit down to decide this?
What goes on now? When?
Any info at all? |
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kudos:7 | I don't think anyone knows right now.
I *think* any judge at this point can pick up & make the decision on CIPPIC's intervention, and I think that's what we're waiting on now.
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said by hm :Now that both Voltage and CIPPIC replied,
Voltage has replied ?
Where, when ? |
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| said by JohnDohnut :said by hm :Now that both Voltage and CIPPIC replied,
Voltage has replied ? Where, when ? Voltage objected to CIPPIC's intervention. CIPPIC responded to the objection.
»www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy···ormation
Newer stuff at the top, older stuff at the bottom.
Voltage's response is 1 of 2 and 1 of 2
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| So any news this week?
I believe this is now week 3 since voltage complained to the court that there are still TSI IP's that must stop sharing because of the great financial harm they are creating by this "commercial distribution".
TSI was order to send the notice out upon receipt of the Voltage draft.
So.. um.. have these voltage vultures given TSI a draft yet? Anyone know?
Has the new Email gone out yet?
Marc, any news on anything? |
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| I posted an update in the TSI thread, but I'll repost here:
On Monday, the case was released to have CIPPIC's motion to intervene decided. No clue as to time frame.
Yesterday Judge Mandamin (the judge who recommended a 1 day special hearing for hearing the evidence), wrapped up a major case - most likely the major case he stated he thought would get in the way of him being able to take over the Voltage case.
Its very possible that now that Judge Mandamin's case is resolved, he will take over the Voltage case.
I assume there's still no email out, as frankly they want people sharing it - more people to sue.
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| said by resa1983:I assume there's still no email out, as frankly they want people sharing it - more people to sue.
If there's no Email by tomorrow then CIPPIC is going to have call bullshit on voltage. As well as TSI's lawyers.
3 weeks is more than enough. |
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kudos:3 | Plus theres this : Distributel is now FIGHTING the court order to disclose their customer information!
So I guess theres more action afoot - On other fronts. |
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| And south of the border...
"IP Address Snapshots Not Sufficient Evidence To File Infringement Suit; Prenda Lawyer Faces Sanctions... In a lengthy order that reads more like a smackdown, Wright attacks Gibb's abuse of the legal system and thoroughly dismantles his so-called "business model.""
»www.techdirt.com/articles/201302···ns.shtml |
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@videotron.ca | said by bullwinkle:And south of the border...
"IP Address Snapshots Not Sufficient Evidence To File Infringement Suit; Prenda Lawyer Faces Sanctions... In a lengthy order that reads more like a smackdown, Wright attacks Gibb's abuse of the legal system and thoroughly dismantles his so-called "business model.""
»www.techdirt.com/articles/201302···ns.shtml
That's quite a nice analogy the judge makes.
This snapshot allegedly shows that the Defendants were downloading the copyrighted work—at least at that moment in time. But downloading a large file like a video takes time; and depending on a user’s Internet-connection speed, it may take a long time. In fact, it may take so long that the user may have terminated the download. The user may have also terminated the download for other reasons. To allege copyright infringement based on an IP snapshot is akin to alleging theft based on a single surveillance camera shot: a photo of a child reaching for candy from a display does not automatically mean he stole it. No Court would allow a lawsuit to be filed based on that amount of evidence... .... |
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That story is based on
»fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2013/02···eration/
Really good site that gets decisions out quickly, and has a bunch of copyright lawyers (defendant counsel) posting there.
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said by Gorgonzola :So any news this week?
I believe this is now week 3 since voltage complained to the court that there are still TSI IP's that must stop sharing because of the great financial harm they are creating by this "commercial distribution".
Marc, I believe this now makes it one month.
Any news at all?
Get the draft yet to send to people? |
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Michael Geist just tweeted the following:
"Ct grants CIPPIC motion for leave to intervene in TekSavvy - Voltage copyright case. Have right to file evidence & cross-examine"
This is gonna get gruesome for Voltage. 
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