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resa1983
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Re: Voltage Versus Teksavvy, Round 2 Continued

Full update from Ars:
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013···to-hide/

Popehat will be posting on his own site, and cross-posting on techdirt, very soon.

EDIT: 8pm PDT - 11 EDT

The best writeup:
»www.popehat.com/2013/03/11/brett···he-star/

Way better than Ars'
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resa1983
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Canipre Admits It's Behind Voltage-TekSavvy File Sharing Lawsuits With Speculative Invoicing Scheme

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6805/125/

Really should read this.
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bt

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said by resa1983:

Canipre Admits It's Behind Voltage-TekSavvy File Sharing Lawsuits With Speculative Invoicing Scheme

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6805/125/

Really should read this.

Did Canipre just seriously weaken Voltage's case? Am I reading that right?

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Weve penetrated a number of underground groups and invite-only FTPs, Logan says. Thats typically where we see a lot of the first-version uploads transacting. While Canipres film-noir website paints the company as the scourge of pirates, the truth is murkier. Logan says adversarial relationships with pirate site operators are generally counterproductive; working amicably to get illegal content removed produces better results. Canipre could seek to shut down illegal sites, but doesnt. Its best to know where your enemies are and what theyre doing, he says. The intelligence value far exceeds the enforcement value.

If Canipre has access to "first version uploads", then they should be shutting it down at the source (the rippers and uploaders), instead of suing all the little guys at the bottom (the downloaders). What a bunch of dicks.
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said by cog_biz_user:

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If Canipre has access to "first version uploads", then they should be shutting it down at the source (the rippers and uploaders), instead of suing all the little guys at the bottom (the downloaders). What a bunch of dicks.

But but, how would they make extra money from the rich subscribers stealing all their B movies and content?

They are not dicks, just savvy trollers.


Shrug

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said by resa1983:

Canipre Admits It's Behind Voltage-TekSavvy File Sharing Lawsuits With Speculative Invoicing Scheme

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6805/125/

Really should read this.

Now we get to see if the courts (ie Canada) will allow this to go on. If it does, I'm quitting the chemistry field to troll and sue people on p2p-networks. More money. Easier life w/o the need to think.


eu_bill

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No C&D letter means that trolling dickwads are not interested in stopping so called "piracy". They are interested purely in extortion. If courts are going to allow it it is going to be a proof that democracy is BS and the only law is the law of money and corporations.


hm

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Makes me wonder if someone like the Consumers Union could possibly start a class action for this against all of these clowns for all the stress, financial worries, and the extortion racket they gave people in both Quebec and Ontario.


hm

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Another interesting copyright troll case is also going on in Canada. Last week Geist wrote of how the National Post wants to be paid if you copy a singe sentence from them (which goes against what the new copyright states about fair use).

Now the National Post is going after the Fourniers (their saga is well documented by Geist and other sites) for copying 11 words from their news site.

Knopf on it:
»www.excesscopyright.blogspot.ca/···nal.html

All this is contrary to what the new copyright laws states about fair dealing.

So this will also be a big one to watch out for. But I expect nothing to come of this till the end of the year, or even next year.

So in effect, if someone on this forum were to paste a paragraph on an interesting news item from the National post, they can/may/will go after both this site and the person (or try to) who quotes them, as they are doing with the Fourniers.

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Hopefully google news dumps the National Post, it's not uncommon for a headline to be 11 words long, after all.


throll

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Update on a case. Source: COURT INDEX AND DOCKET

2013-03-18:

"Letter from Plaintiff (the troll) dated 15-MAR-2013 "A special sitting is required pursuant to paragraph 3 of the Order of the Honourable Justice Mandamin, dated Jaunuary 18, 2013....Counsel for all parties are available to atten on the following dates: June 20, 21, 24, 25, and 26." received on 18-MAR-2013"

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Looks like Affidavit of Barry Logan goes under scrutiny. May the anti-troll force be with the Honourable Justice Mandamin, CIPPIC, Janes + Johns Doe and maybe TSI if they want to come around and fight for customers as they should. Its a great chance to tear a new one to Barry Logan and trolls.


hm

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Guess Voltage isn't backing out.

Wonder why they did in Quebec? Anyone know? Or best educated guess as to why they did?

resa1983
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Not surprising really..

This schedule was agreed upon by TSI, CIPPIC & Voltage's lawyers back in January.

Voltage will only make money if this continues.. If they withdraw now that the evidence is going to be tried, it'll signal that they know it's bad, and lawyers can bring it up in any future suits. They *have* to let this play out and have the evidence tried. They'll be hoping to get a judge who doesn't understand technology, and who won't question their half-truths (some might say lies) given in their affidavits.

said by hm :

Guess Voltage isn't backing out.

Wonder why they did in Quebec? Anyone know? Or best educated guess as to why they did?

As for Quebec:
NGN put the case on hold, pending the trying of the evidence in the Teksavvy case. If the evidence is tossed in the TSI case, lawyers for Distributel/Acanac/3web can bring up the TSI case and show how Canipre did evidence for both, and that it should be tossed in Distributel's case as well. No point in trying evidence in both places at the same time, doubling the costs.
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hm

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said by resa1983:

said by hm :

Guess Voltage isn't backing out.

Wonder why they did in Quebec? Anyone know? Or best educated guess as to why they did?

As for Quebec:
NGN put the case on hold, pending the trying of the evidence in the Teksavvy case. If the evidence is tossed in the TSI case, lawyers for Distributel/Acanac/3web can bring up the TSI case and show how Canipre did evidence for both, and that it should be tossed in Distributel's case as well. No point in trying evidence in both places at the same time, doubling the costs.

I meant the other Quebec case involving Canipre & Voltage that they dropped. The one which included the Montreal Canadiens, and I believe the Airport Hilton in Dorval, along with a handful of individuals. Not the NGN one on hold.

I expect CIPPIC to bring this up. But I don't ever recall hearing why they dropped this Quebec lawsuit. The demand letters went out when they got the names, and then they (Voltage) filed to drop it. Which is the M.O. of these troll lawsuits as TSI's lawyer brought up (and to which Voltages lawyers claimed was never dropped, but court records show otherwise).

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Oh that one.. That was over & done with in 2012 due to lack of filing suit against named individuals within a reasonable amount of time. They kept getting extensions with court approval, til finally the last deadline came & went, and the lawyers hadn't heard from Voltage.. Few days later, it was dismissed.
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hm

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said by resa1983:

due to lack of filing suit against named individuals within a reasonable amount of time.

Was that the reason? The time frame, or amount of time? Official reason?

resa1983
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They'd filed a schedule (like TSI, CIPPIC & Voltage did, which is what's driving these potential dates now), and didn't stick to it. They were told to stick to schedule to name defendants, got an extension, missed it, lawyers filed on last date stating they were waiting to hear from their clients, who then dismissed it.

Google translate of the docket for those (like me) whose french stinks:
»translate.google.com/translate?s···-1373-11
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hm

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Any new news on TSI-CIPPIC Vs. the Vultures?

The only thing I see is that TSI (their council) said they are available to sit down with the vultures on:
Letter from Mr. McHaffie dated 20-MAR-2013 in regards to the party availability in April 22013 through to and including August 2013: April 1,4,5,8,9,10,24,25,26,29,30 May 20,21,22,24,27,28,29,30,31 June 3-7,10-14,18-21,24-28 July 2-5,8-12,15-19 August 12-16,19-23,26-30

Looks like Marc isn't taking a very long summer vacation. At least not between now and the end of Aug from the looks of it.

resa1983
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They're just trying to find a single day that all parties are available for the 1 day hearing of the evidence.

They don't plan on using all those days for this.
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hm

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said by resa1983:

They don't plan on using all those days for this.

lol, um, I think I caught that. Just making note of the no down time except for about 3 weeks at the end of July.

resa1983
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said by hm :

said by resa1983:

They don't plan on using all those days for this.

lol, um, I think I caught that. Just making note of the no down time except for about 3 weeks at the end of July.

Who knows.. That may be when Marc's already booked his vacation, which could be why his lawyers say they're not available.
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Voltage's latest victims: elderly ladies who haven't seen their films and who have never heard of BitTorrent.

»yro.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/···lawsuits

»www.oregonlive.com/business/inde···lle.html
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same old

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said by Guspaz:

Voltage's latest victims: elderly ladies who haven't seen their films and who have never heard of BitTorrent.

Old retired people w/ good pensions are an extortionists wet-dream. All that untapped money from old people for unheard of lousy movies is good for the American economy.
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ontarian

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Are there any news regarding this BS? Evidence hearing dates set etc.?

resa1983
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Still nothing.

Info is here:
»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Still waiting on the evidentiary hearing date.
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Add this as a plausible defense
»news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-575799···s-study/

resa1983
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Yup..

And the WPS one that most manufacturers haven't bothered to update to protect against:
»www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/723755
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voltage needs to be smited from the Heavens.

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said by HammerofGawd:

voltage needs to be smited from the Heavens.

Go for it, Thor.

resa1983
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They're actually in process of being smacked by a US Judge - this case was multiple cases with several hundred does, consolidated into 1 case.

quote:
Order to Show Cause. ordered to Show Cause in Writing by 4/22/2013 why this case should not be dismissed for failure to follow a court order and why defendants should not be severed, requiring the filing of individual complaints. Signed on 4/10/2013 by Chief Judge Ann L. Aiken. (lg) (Entered: 04/11/2013)
»ia801702.us.archive.org/1/items/···ket.html
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