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spacey0
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[DSL] Faster speeds for DSL will come?

Bell has 25/25, 50/50 and 175/175 service now in some places in Ottawa. Any chance TekSavvy will resell them?

TSI Alan
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We are hoping to offer higher speeds to our customers in the near future, pending the upcoming CRTC hearings.

CliqueofOne
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What upcoming CRTC hearing is this?

I sure would enjoy getting something faster than 6/800 here in Brantford.

Inssomniak
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Id be happy to get off of 6 mb adsl1.
34764170 (banned)
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said by spacey0:

Bell has 25/25, 50/50 and 175/175 service now in some places in Ottawa. Any chance TekSavvy will resell them?

25/25 might be DSL (VDSL2) but the others are not. They're FTTH (fibre to the home). Even if TSI had access to FTTH via Bell there are plenty of areas that won't see this for quite some time or at all.

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50meg speeds are possible via VDSL2. it would just be for people who are very close to the remote though...

ie, if you can get 10meg upstream currently on the 25/10 package, you could get 50/10 if Bell offered that profile....
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said by HiVolt:

50meg speeds are possible via VDSL2. it would just be for people who are very close to the remote though...

ie, if you can get 10meg upstream currently on the 25/10 package, you could get 50/10 if Bell offered that profile....

It is very unlikely they could offer 50Mbps up with VDSL2 unless the cabinet was practically right next to your house and it is very obvious that the 50/50 tier at the moment is FTTH. But like Telus has done recently they should be working on a 50 / 20 tier utilizing line bonding with VDSL2. They could also offer higher speeds upwards of 100 Mbps with line bonding + vectoring as some European and Asian carriers are starting to roll out but Bell will probably drag that until the end of the year at the earliest.

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50+ megs tiers will be offered as FTTH only. I suspect Bell's plans will be to eventually roll most of the network to FTTH. Not exactly sure the CRTC will ever approve of FTTH wholesale but we'll see.
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said by BACONATOR26:

50+ megs tiers will be offered as FTTH only. I suspect Bell's plans will be to eventually roll most of the network to FTTH. Not exactly sure the CRTC will ever approve of FTTH wholesale but we'll see.

Bell will eventually roll out higher speeds via VDSL2. They don't really have a choice.

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Except telco and cable co's are already testing and rolling out fibre networks. VDSL definitely cannot compete with a cable/fibre hybrid network.
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said by BACONATOR26:

Except telco and cable co's are already testing and rolling out fibre networks. VDSL definitely cannot compete with a cable/fibre hybrid network.

You're missing the point. There are lots of areas that will never see FTTH. They could be rolling out fibre even in the areas that will see FTTH and still won't hit even 40% of their customers within 10 years. Until then they will have to deal with high speeds for VDSL2 and this is not that difficult. Other North American carriers and European carriers are.

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In the long run there will be no further expansion in VDSL, notice how Bell is not deploying as widely as other telcos. They will not put a remote on everyone's lawn for maybe 100 meg VDSL. Just wait and see..
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said by BACONATOR26:

In the long run there will be no further expansion in VDSL, notice how Bell is not deploying as widely as other telcos. They will not put a remote on everyone's lawn for maybe 100 meg VDSL. Just wait and see..

You don't need it on everyone's lawn to do faster speeds and you won't see FTTH for ages if ever in lots of areas. They *have* to balance the two. AT&T / Telus and European carriers are doing faster speeds with existing FTTN nodes.

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said by 34764170:

It is very unlikely they could offer 50Mbps up with VDSL2 unless the cabinet was practically right next to your house and it is very obvious that the 50/50 tier at the moment is FTTH. But like Telus has done recently they should be working on a 50 / 20 tier utilizing line bonding with VDSL2. They could also offer higher speeds upwards of 100 Mbps with line bonding + vectoring as some European and Asian carriers are starting to roll out but Bell will probably drag that until the end of the year at the earliest.

You're wrong... i had a test 45/9 profile on my line. it worked just fine. It still had room to go higher. And i am about 900 feet from the remote.

Guspaz
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Your test profile doesn't invalidate his point about 50 megabit upstream on vdsl2...

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said by Guspaz:

Your test profile doesn't invalidate his point about 50 megabit upstream on vdsl2...

Oh, i misread that he was referring to upstream...

Yes, in that sense I totally agree...

But come on, even the 10meg upstream we have available now on VDSL now is way overkill for the vast majority...

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Telus is doing 50/10 using line bonding and with much of their footprint covered with remotes. Bell doesn't want to use multiple pairs as they are too cheap to string up more remotes and line cards. Remember how long it took them to get from 5 megs to 10+?

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said by BACONATOR26:

Telus is doing 50/10 using line bonding and with much of their footprint covered with remotes. Bell doesn't want to use multiple pairs as they are too cheap to string up more remotes and line cards. Remember how long it took them to get from 5 megs to 10+?

Not to mention how much of a ripoff that would be for wholesalers, with them likely wanting to charge for two separate lines as if they were separate services, imagine having to pay two band rates, etc... hehe...
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said by BACONATOR26:

Telus is doing 50/10 using line bonding and with much of their footprint covered with remotes. Bell doesn't want to use multiple pairs as they are too cheap to string up more remotes and line cards. Remember how long it took them to get from 5 megs to 10+?

Still doesn't change the rest of what I said.
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said by HiVolt:

But come on, even the 10meg upstream we have available now on VDSL now is way overkill for the vast majority...

That's your opinion. It isn't though. If we were 10 years ago I'd agree with that but not now.
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said by HiVolt:

Not to mention how much of a ripoff that would be for wholesalers, with them likely wanting to charge for two separate lines as if they were separate services, imagine having to pay two band rates, etc... hehe...

Not making any sense. It's part of the service. You want the faster speeds or not.

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said by BACONATOR26:

Telus is doing 50/10 using line bonding and with much of their footprint covered with remotes. Bell doesn't want to use multiple pairs as they are too cheap to string up more remotes and line cards. Remember how long it took them to get from 5 megs to 10+?

This is actually done primarily with single-line VDSL2 17A (and some 8B) and with a port profile that is 76mbps down, 12mbps up.

Bonding is only available in limited areas for now, as the install cost is much higher and we don't want to burn pairs and ports.