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mike12806
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join:2007-08-28
Newton, MA

Netflix OpenConnect

Any thoughts on if Verizon will jump on board? My netflix streaming struggles as it is on a 15/5 connection!

»Netflix Starts Offering 'Super HD' and 3D Streams


brownk

join:2000-06-08
Katonah, NY

Just a guess, but since Verizon is partnering with Redbox on a service that will compete with Netflix, I wouldn't hold your breath.


Wag

join:2009-05-05
Natick, MA
reply to mike12806

»forums.verizon.com/t5/Share-Your···p/522907

You can vote for it here.


buckweet1980

join:2011-12-31
Allen, TX
reply to mike12806

If you are saying your connection struggles with 15/5, having them be local to VZ won't change anything..

You'll need to upgrade your bandwidth package.


guppy_fish
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join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
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reply to mike12806

Netflix HD streams are only 2-3 mbs and to call it HD is bogus ..

15/5 is many times the needed bandwidth for streams, even the new "Super HD" which is still only about 1/4 the bit rate of HD on VOD

Its possible there are peering choke points getting into the Verizon network, but its not Verizon but how ever Netflix is paying to peer there servers

This is Netflix's attempt to shift the delivery costs


rebus9

join:2002-03-26
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said by guppy_fish:

This is Netflix's attempt to shift the delivery costs

Everyone benefits, both Netflix and the ISP.

If you ran the ISP, which would you prefer? Many customers pulling streams from an on-net distribution point, or those same customers pulling those SAME streams across your transit links? (hint: the correct answer is from the on-net mirror)

It's the same methodology already used by Akamai, and ISPs all over the planet participate in that.

Oh, as far as Netflix shifting the delivery costs-- that's the least of their worries. Transit expenses pale in comparison to the licensing fees paid for all the content they stream.

guppy_fish
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Verizon, being tier one and basically IS a primary backbone of the internet in the US could care less where it comes from as they never pay for peering. Netflix on the other hand has to pay to push out there subscription content.

Sure lots of non teir one providers are working on alternatives, that's because they have too


rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
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·Bright House

said by guppy_fish:

Verizon, being tier one and basically IS a primary backbone of the internet in the US could care less where it comes from as they never pay for peering. Netflix on the other hand has to pay to push out there subscription content.

When a network is SFP (settlement-free peering) that does NOT mean the traffic is free. Ports at 10/40/100 GigE are not free. And they do not peer with EVERY other provider at EVERY exchange point. That would be prohibitively expensive, so they have to backhaul a lot of that traffic-- some of it locally or a few dozen miles, some of it hundreds of miles or more.

Even for Tier 1's, it's a lot more efficient to source the traffic on-net and distribute it locally, than to pull across transit/SFP and then backhaul it.

The longer the distance, the more infrastructure each byte touches. As those flows increase, so must the infrastructure to support them.

The mistake you're making is focusing on "they are a tier 1 so they don't have to pay for bandwidth". UNTRUE. Traffic costs them money. A LOT of money. As a tier 1, they simply don't have to pay SOMEONE ELSE to carry it beyond their own ASN.

guppy_fish
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I understand all of this, maybe I'm just dumbing down the responses unintentionally.

NetFlix if one believes the reports is becoming the single biggest source of traffic by volume:

»www.nbcnews.com/technology/techn···h-119517

The issue is there are NO single company that can provided the bandwidth NetFlix is consuming, there now with amazon but even that will run out of steam .. so that why there looking to make direct connections to major cable and telco's

»www.businessinsider.com/netflix-···-2012-11

The entire model of peering is somewhat in question, it just happens to be Netflix that has the traffic to push the issue because the number of effected subscribers and the raw data required to be transited.

Another issue, is the actual networks ( internet ), are mostly owned by cable or telco's and they have no interest in having to support Netflix as its a direct competitor


McBane

join:2008-08-22
Plano, TX

I dunno about most people since I'm not sure if Netflix uses more than one CDN but my streams use Akamai which are directly connected to the Verizon's backbone.


guppy_fish
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Netflix does use more than one, Level3, Akamai and Amazon off the top of my head.

But these company's all have limited peering to Verizon, it may be quite large peering, but when you have a couple hundred thousand streams going the peering chokes.

The hole thing about OpenConnect is that NetFlix is running out of company's to act as distribution points, look at the Amazon link, there losing almost a billion a year and Netflix will be out of option as all these peering points are realizing its not making them money