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vue666
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Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting

Authorities believe Kayla Bourque is a serial killer in the waiting who will likely require supervision for life. A video of her killing her family's dog and torturing a cat where found in her dorm. Also found was a kill kit containing a knife, razor blade, syringe, mask, garbage bags and plastic handcuffs...

Bourque was a Simon Fraser University criminology student who fantasizing about killing homeless people...

She is considered a high risk.

»ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybre···356.html

So IF she is a considered a high risk why is she released back into society believing she requires supervision for life?



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Because she hasn't killed anyone. If and when she does, she'll be found not criminally responsible. Put her on a regime of drugs that no one can force her to take, release into the public.
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Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

Exactly right - she is being released because she has served the sentence imposed on her for what she has done, and is going to be under scrutiny imposed as part of her release.

Is the suggestion that someone be locked up indefinitely because of something they *might* do? Petition your law-and-order government to put a new law in the next omnibus bill that people should be locked up indefinitely for a crime they haven't yet committed.
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Re: Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting

A prison sentence doesn't fix someone. It's asinine to apply the same "do the crime, pay the time" mentality to a person who is demonstrating unambiguous signs of serial-killer tendencies.

She should be committed to a mental hospital for life, under direct supervision, unless and until it can be proven that she is not a danger.



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pfft...the woman in that article mentions that she will be monitored by BC Corrections and the police...yea, like they have time for that.



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Re: Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

said by Kardinal:

Exactly right - she is being released because she has served the sentence imposed on her for what she has done, and is going to be under scrutiny imposed as part of her release.

Is the suggestion that someone be locked up indefinitely because of something they *might* do? Petition your law-and-order government to put a new law in the next omnibus bill that people should be locked up indefinitely for a crime they haven't yet committed.

If you watched the video it is mentioned she has an accelerating history of violence and is an high risk to re-offend... or do we not heed the observations of the professional people who been involved with her...

Here's a CTV News link...

»bc.ctvnews.ca/sfu-animal-killer-···.1104125


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Re: Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting

We are not in the world of Minority Report Ken. As scary as it is.



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said by Robert:

We are not in the world of Minority Report Ken. As scary as it is.

She HAS been deemed a HIGH risk to re-offend by the pros... and will require life long monitoring...


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Re: Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

said by vue666:

said by Kardinal:

Exactly right - she is being released because she has served the sentence imposed on her for what she has done, and is going to be under scrutiny imposed as part of her release.

Is the suggestion that someone be locked up indefinitely because of something they *might* do? Petition your law-and-order government to put a new law in the next omnibus bill that people should be locked up indefinitely for a crime they haven't yet committed.

If you watched the video it is mentioned she has an accelerating history of violence and is an high risk to re-offend... or do we not heed the observations of the professional people who been involved with her...

::sigh::

I did watch the video in the Yahoo blog, and I do understand that she has a history of violence and is a risk to re-offend.

Now, for the 2nd time: are you advocating for people to be locked up indefinitely for crimes they haven't committed yet because there is an opinion that they are a risk to re-offend?
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My solution is more along the lines of Dragonfly's response...



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Re: Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting

said by Robert:

We are not in the world of Minority Report Ken. As scary as it is.

No, we're not so not sure why you'd refer to a work of fiction when we're talking about reality.

This is a woman who gets off on watching herself torture and kill a loved pet, torturing other animals, and fantasized about escalating her killings to humans. She's shown no remorse over killing animals and it's suggested by professionals that she's going to do it again...

I do agree that some form of post-release therapy and monitoring is definitely required.


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A monitoring device 24/7 is required since incarceration (my preferred option, no way this sick fu.......ck, should be out an about strolling about our children or elders etc) seems to escape the logic of our system.



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said by Anav:

A monitoring device 24/7 is required since incarceration (my preferred option, no way this sick fu.......ck, should be out an about strolling about our children or elders etc) seems to escape the logic of our system.

Bang on!!!! The safety of society and especially those that can not defend themselves must be our primary concern...


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Re: Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

said by Kardinal:

are you advocating for people to be locked up indefinitely for crimes they haven't committed yet because there is an opinion that they are a risk to re-offend?

said by vue666:

My solution is more along the lines of Dragonfly's response...

said by dragonfly:

She should be committed to a mental hospital for life, under direct supervision, unless and until it can be proven that she is not a danger.

Hmmm...."committed for life unless it can be proven she is not a danger"....to me, that sounds like advocating for locking up someone indefinitely for something they haven't done, until the opinion that the decision is based on changes, but perhaps I'm oversimplifying.
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So you consider her rights more important then her possible danger to children or the elderly as Anav pointed out?

Remember it is the same profession that deemed her a high risk to re-offend that is considering releasing Guy Turcotte back into society as they deemed Turcotte unlikely to re-offend..



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It seems we have a lot of exaggerations in this thread when we should be having a realistic discussion based on the facts.

We have a woman that enjoys torturing and killing animals to the point of recording it and reviewing it, who's done this for personal enjoyment and not for attention. We have a woman that's stated she has a desire to kill human beings and collected items in preparation.

Now, considering those facts, should we not be concerned with the potential this woman has to harm again? Especially since a number of specialists in the field of psychiatry has stated that they are concerned she will harm again?

This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.



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said by urbanriot:

This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.

What "solution" is there? Canada operates on the rule of law based on fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Charter and apply equally to everyone. Knowing this, we can't just make up things willy nilly and lock people up because they might happen.


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Re: Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting

Okay Urban, and I propose that during all this mamby pamby involvement of specialists, she (as she is WIRED to do) continues to kill animals and then upscales to a human being, suggest you do the same time she is then incarcerated for. Still so eager? Ready to put your freedom on the line. The problem is lack of accountability by those making these foolish decisions. Who is accountable to the families that these types of people remove their relative from the face of the earth. You seem so ready and willing to NOT take responsibility for decisions because they have no consequence for you personally. Agreed it is alleged but didnt your mother ever say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure or something like that.... well there is no cure persay.

Dont think Im being draconian, if I lacked empathy, I would suggest a lobotomy on top. Im saying that 24-7 supervision is required to ensure innocent people are not made victims. I didnt say she had to live in prison or a horrible life ,and yes our institutions and or recreation facilities or whatever they can be, should be concommitantly improved. Lets be honest, this is not a simple case of homeless person with depression, this is a mentally sick person that cannot be cured and has a prepensity for VIOLENCE. We need to find a humane existence for this person that does not put the rest of us in jeopardy. I am willing to pay for this category of person to be cared for separately.
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Re: Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

said by Gone:

said by urbanriot:

This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.

What "solution" is there? Canada operates on the rule of law based on fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Charter and apply equally to everyone. Knowing this, we can't just make up things willy nilly and lock people up because they might happen.

Love it, status quo do nothing approach. Hey run for politics you fit right in.
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said by vue666:

So you consider her rights more important then her possible danger to children or the elderly as Anav pointed out?

Remember it is the same profession that deemed her a high risk to re-offend that is considering releasing Guy Turcotte back into society as they deemed Turcotte unlikely to re-offend..

Heh....I'll stop asking if you are advocating for locking up people for something they haven't done as it's obvious you aren't going to formally state what you're insinuating and one is left to imagine why this is. That said, thanks for going where where I was heading before I could get there: your disagreement with the system (and decrying of it) when Guy Turcotte was being released because the system's opinion was that he was a low-risk was well documented, and yet you're suddenly wishing they would act harder on what you consider to be the correct opinion they have reached in this case. It's an interesting paradox: you want the system to act on opinions you agree with, but not act on the opinions you disagree with.

I'm with urbanriot See Profile on this one:

said by urbanriot:

I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.

Oh look, that's what the system is advocating and putting in place.
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said by Anav:

Love it, status quo do nothing approach. Hey run for politics you fit right in.

So you're advocating that we infringe on someone's Charter rights and/or break the law?

Gotcha!

I should just add, mental health care will be an important component in her life and no one should deny that. Unfortunately, as I harp on all the time, the level of care we provide for mental health issues in this country is absurd. Locking someone away because they might do something is not only not the answer, but it's outright illegal.


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Re: Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting

We obviously can't lock her up for something she did not do as that's not only how our society doesn't work, but it's going to be one hell of a slippery slope with a lot of questions of where do we draw the line.

I'm all for a GPS bracelet on at all times as she needs supervision 24/7 in a situation like this though. And a lot of monitoring by psychiatrists.


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I'm all in favor of setting-aside some Charter rights of a person who's recorded videos of mutilating her pet animals and has planned to kill human beings. I think that's entirely reasonable, and I'd wager most of Canada would agree with me.



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said by dragonfly:

I'm all in favor of setting-aside some Charter rights for a person who's recorded videos of mutilating her pet animals and has planned to kill human beings. I think that's entirely reasonable, and I'd wager most of Canada would agree with me.

I'm entirely in favour of setting-aside some Charter rights for stupid people. I think that's entirely reasonable, and I'd wager most of Canada would agree with me.



When we start denying fundamental legal rights as a matter of convenience, we turn into a dictatorial police state.


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said by ekster:

We obviously can't lock her up for something she did not do as that's not only how our society doesn't work, but it's going to be one hell of a slippery slope with a lot of questions of where do we draw the line.

I'm all for a GPS bracelet on at all times as she needs supervision 24/7 in a situation like this though. And a lot of monitoring by psychiatrists.

And who's to pay for all of this? Multiply this scenerio by how ever many Canadians are in the same boat that we have not heard of. Then I'll ask again, who's to pay for this ever lasting treatment & surveillance?
Depending on the crime committed, I'd pitch in for a bullet (yes, for capital punishment on some crimes), but not for in perpetuity monitoring based on today's group-think hypothesis of what may or may not be psychopath/sociopath tendencies.

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We still have some rules and expectations in a society.

And someone living in prison their whole life is very expensive. And releasing them, then dealing with dead people, lawsuits, investigation, trials, etc also gets damn expensive.

So a GPS bracelet and some visits by a psychiatrist is a lot cheaper than doing nothing at all, or locking someone up in prison for life.

What other alternative is there? Deport them out of country and drop them off in the middle of an ocean? Maybe kill them first for a crime they might commit?



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Good questions to which I have no answer as I find Canada's justice system freakin' terrible, a bad, bad joke.
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said by Gone:

I'm entirely in favour of setting-aside some Charter rights for stupid people. I think that's entirely reasonable, and I'd wager most of Canada would agree with me.



When we start denying fundamental legal rights as a matter of convenience, we turn into a dictatorial police state.

That moment is well past in Canada.


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said by ekster:

We obviously can't lock her up for something she did not do as that's not only how our society doesn't work, but it's going to be one hell of a slippery slope with a lot of questions of where do we draw the line.

I'm all for a GPS bracelet on at all times as she needs supervision 24/7 in a situation like this though. And a lot of monitoring by psychiatrists.

Concur!
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said by EUS:

said by ekster:

We obviously can't lock her up for something she did not do as that's not only how our society doesn't work, but it's going to be one hell of a slippery slope with a lot of questions of where do we draw the line.

I'm all for a GPS bracelet on at all times as she needs supervision 24/7 in a situation like this though. And a lot of monitoring by psychiatrists.

And who's to pay for all of this? Multiply this scenerio by how ever many Canadians are in the same boat that we have not heard of. Then I'll ask again, who's to pay for this ever lasting treatment & surveillance?

Well I know where to find $17 million a year for this!
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