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Re: Kayla Bourque - Killer in the waiting said by Anav:I would prefer to say Recreational Centres as Asylums have a bad rap in books and movies and probably for real (really dont know). All to say is any institution type setup has to be new, different, better and more humane than any in the past which seem to have been cauldrons of abuse. Even now old folks homes seem to ferment abuse. We have to stop that BS!!
Absolutely - it can't be the "experiment on their brains and use them as torture guinea pigs evil mental hospital of yore" - we needs mental care facilities with a LOT of staff and professionals with expertise in mental care as well as patient care/personal support workers, it needs to be tightly regulated and inspected (perhaps we need a new or improved branch of government that is dedicated to providing and regulating mental health services, similar but separate from acute health care? Just a thought...), patients need to be closely and thoroughly monitored, there needs to be "things for them to do if they are able to be productive" (jobs, services, etc... heck half these people could provide better phone support for Bell than what I get now :P) - but there's a large segment of the population with mental health issues that just have nowhere to be put with proper monitoring - especially for those who are a continuing danger to themselves or others. |
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Well stated Hydraglass.... the other extreme is the horrendous treatment of Ashley Smith by our justice system....
Ashley's crime was the juvenile prank of throwing a snowball at someone yet she loses her life because of flaws in our system...
Yet Bourque who has desires to kill and a high risk will be let lose into society...
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N of 49th | Lots of talk about "needing a better system" and "protecting society", and yet if there is talk of raising taxes to better the mental health system (which is what needs a major boost overall, and these individuals getting news are 0.001% of the need), will it all be supported as necessary or will it be "I already pay too much tax...the government needs to find the money somewhere else".
I wonder, given some of the past threads about mental health issues in this forum and the opinions expressed therein. 
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3 edits | No need to raise taxes. Just cut out the government waste and re-consider what services are essential and then prioritorize them...
Education, healthcare should be at the forefront...
said by Kardinal:I wonder, given some of the past threads about mental health issues in this forum and the opinions expressed therein.
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said by NCRGuy:If criminal activity was a defining characteristic of mental illness, we wouldn't need prisons, everyone would be in a hospital. But there is more to a mental illness diagnosis.
I'd argue that everyone, except people who were railroaded by the system, in prison have mental issues.
If we focused on mental health a little more, there would be a lot of guards and police officers using employment services.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | said by J E F F:said by NCRGuy:If criminal activity was a defining characteristic of mental illness, we wouldn't need prisons, everyone would be in a hospital. But there is more to a mental illness diagnosis.
I'd argue that everyone, except people who were railroaded by the system, in prison have mental issues. If we focused on mental health a little more, there would be a lot of guards and police officers using employment services. Or retrained as healthcare professionals...  |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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said by Anav: Every week if not day now it seems there is one violent crime being committed in our area and the thing that sticks in my craw is the almost standard line.....
One man (or two men) are being held in custody for sentencing today for the stabbing (insert violence & robbery) as well as charges for BREACHING PROBATION AND COURT ORDERS.
Look another one... Morgan James McNeil was arrested yesterday as a suspect in the murder of Laura Jessome...
»www.news957.com/2013/01/10/cape-···omicide/
In May 2012 he was arrested for armed robbery...
»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot···ect.html |
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London, ON | i said long ago, in most cases like these, the statement "known to police" and references of being out on bail or parole are all too common. |
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Hmmm.....the cbc.ca article states that he was considered as "serious risk" to society, but it doesn't say if that's the opinion of a psychiatric assessment (like the one for Bourque that people are referring to when demanding indefinite custody) or a police opinion that I often see when referring to a suspect. Are you now advocating that any suspect (since I haven't seen trial results) who the police assign a risk to should be held indefinitely? That's what the use of this example looks like. If it is, a lot more prisons are going to be needed if all suspects who might be a risk are going to be held pending trial, with all the associated costs.
Oh wait....."get rid of government waste" will take care of those costs too, right?
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London, ON | rumour has it, the power plant fiasco costs could be as high as $1 Billion...you don't think $1 Billion into mental health could do some good?...you could build a massive mental health facility, and house and care for many of the people who need it.
just like we saw with Attawapiskat, the money is there, it is just being mismanaged. |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | reply to Kardinal
Sorry but the topic is very complex and not as black and white as some may believe....
Bottom line as Anav pointed out there is way too much of this crap happening where we live. I was only pointing out "Look another one"...and adding emphasis to his post...
No need to take this so personal as none is intended... |
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N of 49th | said by vue666:Sorry but the topic is very complex and not as black and white as some may believe....
Bottom line as Anav pointed out there is way too much of this crap happening where we live. I was only pointing out "Look another one"...and adding emphasis to his post...
No need to take this so personal as none is intended...
Whoa.....it's not personal, I'm just trying to figure out which "complex topic" you are focusing on as the thread started with talking about how a specific individual who is considered a "high risk to re-offend" shouldn't be released, and now it's tangenting into "repeat offenders are the problem / people on trial/parole are committing other crimes" (ie/ the "crap happening where you live") and these two things aren't really related except in specific circumstances, and Bourque isn't one of them as she hasn't committed the 2nd offence yet.
This makes it confusing as the point of indefinite detention for Bourque doesn't seem to have anything to do with the later points, unless the demand is changing to indefinite detention for anyone who has been accused of a crime until the end of their trial, or indefinite detention for anyone convicted of a crime, or.......what? I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but rather than deciding what you are thinking and then criticizing you for it, I'm asking where you are going with this as I don't like it when some here do that to me when it's convenient to the point they have decided they are right about.
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My point was that our system already proves that those in control of their facilities with a propensity for violence will and do frequently re-offend and thus are a risk (well we all have potential to do stupid things or commit crimes) a significant risk.
Therfore its not too much of a stretch to be worried about those that are not in control of their faculties who do not have guilt, remorse, empathy and compassion and the ability to process actions ahead of time and their effect on others, and who also have shown a propensity for violence.
I concur with Kardinal in that we should not be focussing on the criminal activity I brought up as it was not my prime intent. It was simply to give those in the Kayla category, some context.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | Well said Anav yet some are willing to gamble and see what happens next.... |
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London, ON | said by vue666:Well said Anav yet some are willing to gamble and see what happens next....
unfortunately, a "wait and see what happens" approach is rarely a good thing to do.
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said by vue666: with a strong indication (by professionals) she will do so again.... I'm pretty sure most of the folks in this thread don't understand this because you haven't pointed it out enough. |
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Let me add anecdotally that the perp who stabbed his gf 104 times in Cape Breton and was recently convicted as an adult (16 at time, victim 17), was known to have anti-social behaviour, anger issues, substance abuse and lets hear the ding ding ding............... cruelty to animals!!! |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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1 edit | Yeah...he stabbed his girl friend so hard & so many times the blade actually broke off in her chest...
Yes Anav...cruelty to animals is a common trait among serial killers... |
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Breathing air is an essential for human life.
Torturing animals for fun is not.... |
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