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NetFixer
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Is "tin foil" now a banned phrase in this forum?

I have noticed that lately any time the phrase "tin foil" appears in a post, even if it seems to just be a lighthearted friendly jab with no real malice intended, that post and any follow ups seem to disappear rather quickly.

I know that in some forums some words and phrases and topics are verboten (or must be relegated to some specific "sticky" thread). Is "tin foil" now a verboten phrase in this forum?

I do understand that there is a policy on this site that does not permit discussion of "moderation", but how is one to know what the verboten words, phrases, and/or topics are if they can not be discussed? Perhaps the site management could put together a FAQ with all of the verboten words, phrases, and topics? Or, if there is already such a published list, could someone provide me with the URL?
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May be because the loose translation of "tin foil" reference is - a "person, who cares about security"?
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I bet someone marked it as trolling. In all honestly, yesterdays "tin foil" is today's reality.
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said by Lagz:

I bet someone marked it as trolling. In all honestly, yesterdays "tin foil" is today's reality.

Maybe so, but that would be a lot of "hey mods" being done for that phrase. I did a search of this forum before starting this thread, and the newest post I could find was dated December 22nd 2012. Besides the posts that I witnessed being deleted, I can't believe that phrase had not been used in this forum for that long a period.

But since this thread is still here, perhaps it is/was the individual posters whose posts were deleted, and the phrase "tin foil" was just a coincidence.
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Well IMO it depends on ones definition of tinhoil hatter.

To me it refers to someone that entertains conspiracy theories in the absence of any evidence. Others take it mean anyone that has a theory or belief without "hard" (printed documents, spoken admissions etc) evidence.

For example if I say "the Martians are invading tomorrow" to me that's tinfoil hat-ism. On the other hand if I say "the NSA is monitoring the internet" that's not because there is evidence (ex-employees statements etc) that it occurs.

Which camp ones falls into depends on their Epistemology (theory of knowledge).
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said by NetFixer:

I did a search of this forum before starting this thread, and the newest post I could find was dated December 22nd 2012. Besides the posts that I witnessed being deleted, I can't believe that phrase had not been used in this forum for that long a period.

I have not noticed that. But I did not made any research either, as I don't use that term. It's because I think it's used by those, who want to label other people as "paranoid" (or similar derogatory terms) without any reasonable prove offered. Just like this - "you're a tin foil hat" and that's it. And now it's your turn to prove that you're not...

Some folks (for many different reasons, monetary included) pursue an agenda to convince others, that thinking about their own security is bad. Everyone should just continue to repeat the slogan - "I have nothing to hide" or be ashamed (or even scared), if he dears to think otherwise...
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said by OZO:

And now it's your turn to prove that you're not...

It's a method to (try and) reduce/prohibit discussion. Another example is "that's racist" or "you're a racist".
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said by OZO:

It's because I think it's used by those, who want to label other people as "paranoid" (or similar derogatory terms) without any reasonable prove offered. Just like this - "you're a tin foil hat" and that's it. And now it's your turn to prove that you're not...

That did not appear to be the case in the posts that I recently saw being obliterated (and served as a catalyst to start this thread). However, some people are more thin skinned than others. Personally, I wear my aluminum foil hat with pride (some cheap tin foil can contain lead, so my "green" alter ego doesn't let me wear tin foil).

However, as I said in another reply in this thread, the fact that this thread is still here does indirectly answer my specific question. I am not a permanent resident of this forum, just an occasional visitor, and I thought perhaps I had missed some official announcement.
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said by NetFixer:

...I wear my aluminum foil hat with pride...

Aluminum doesn't work that well

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets

Go for copper/silver instead.

»www.lessemf.com/personal.html
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said by StuartMW:

said by NetFixer:

...I wear my aluminum foil hat with pride...

Aluminum doesn't work that well

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets

Go for copper/silver instead.

»www.lessemf.com/personal.html

That first study does not take into account a properly grounded aluminum foil shield. As for copper or silver, they both corrode too easily in some environments, and require too much maintenance and/or frequent replacement (not to mention the green or black stain left on your head in such corrosive environments)
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said by NetFixer:

That first study does not take into account a properly grounded aluminum foil shield.

True. Any EE would know that.

That said many consider wearing a tin-foil hat and being grounded to be mutually exclusive
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But copper will turn green, which could be kind of pretty. Silver will turn black, so you can be a black foil hat or something like that.
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Yes indeed it is,A VERY SCARY WORLD NOW!!!!



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Re: Is "tin foil" now a banned phrase in this forum?

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that search about does it...why docha just im wcb and ask
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said by StuartMW:

said by NetFixer:

...I wear my aluminum foil hat with pride...

Aluminum doesn't work that well

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets

Go for copper/silver instead.

»www.lessemf.com/personal.html

To be truly effective, a tinfoil hat must be made from a thin sheet of mu-metal, which is magnetically permeable as well as a metallic conductor. Otherwise, magnetic fields will largely pass right through. Since we're usually dealing with electro-magnetic waves, attenuating both electric (with a grounded metallic shield) and magnetic (with magnetically permeable material) fields is the most effective approach. Mu-metal is what they used to wrap around CRT display tubes to reduce the distortion effects of external magnetic fields on the deflecting electron beam painting the phosphor on the inner surface of the screen.
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There once was a man from Ouray

With great certainty we can say

He came from down-under

Into this forum he did blunder

Whilst wearing a tin foil hat

Expand your moderator at work


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Re: Is "tin foil" now a banned phrase in this forum?

I think the verdict is in.

This thread has not been deleted, in spite of much mention of tin foil.
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said by nwrickert:

I think the verdict is in.

This thread has not been deleted, in spite of much mention of tin foil.

+1


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Obligatory pic....




Cat in the Tinfoil Hat FTW!



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said by Blackbird:

said by StuartMW:

said by NetFixer:

...I wear my aluminum foil hat with pride...

Aluminum doesn't work that well

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets

Go for copper/silver instead.

»www.lessemf.com/personal.html

To be truly effective, a tinfoil hat must be made from a thin sheet of mu-metal, which is magnetically permeable as well as a metallic conductor. Otherwise, magnetic fields will largely pass right through. Since we're usually dealing with electro-magnetic waves, attenuating both electric (with a grounded metallic shield) and magnetic (with magnetically permeable material) fields is the most effective approach. Mu-metal is what they used to wrap around CRT display tubes to reduce the distortion effects of external magnetic fields on the deflecting electron beam painting the phosphor on the inner surface of the screen.

Aluminum Tin foil hats may actually increase rather than decrease the reception of signals.

»berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/

The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.

It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.


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Re: Is "tin foil" now a banned phrase in this forum?

Or, the mods are just, over zealous? That's my take on it.



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said by caffeinator:

Obligatory pic....

[att=1]

Cat in the Tinfoil Hat FTW!

[att=2]

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I remember some posts that I thought were mean toward another in this forum. Some of them had the reference to tin foil hats too. I never paid attention as to if they were deleted or not.

But now, I guess I'm glad if they were. I for one, am tired of threads that COULD have something worthwhile in them, just not being read because people think they can put someone else down. Discussion is a good thing. But picking on people because you are one of the "good old boys" stinks.

You all have missed many of my pearls of wisdom. Believe it or not, that's actually sad for you.

So, that is my say on it.
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There once was a forum called "security".

Its members had dropped into obscurity.

A rallying cry of "Tin foil hat".

The moderator said "I'll second that".

And their future is now a surety.
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said by caffeinator:

Cat in the Tinfoil Hat FTW!

Actually, that's a Jedi training picture from "Yoda, the Early Years". The hair fell out as he aged.
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said by NetFixer:

That did not appear to be the case in the posts that I recently saw being obliterated (and served as a catalyst to start this thread). However, some people are more thin skinned than others.

Which threads?
Moderation occurs usually with "hey mods" (from all sources) or moderated by MOD's personally.
I find it a bit confusing returning to a thread the has been moderated and having to guess why the moderation has occurred.
If it was just to because somebody cried "TINFOIL HAT", i guess it's no big loss.
Rewriting the post with an actual claim might not of occurred to some?

said by jeanmarc:

Into this forum he did blunder
Whilst wearing a tin foil hat

Perceived blunders= equal the use of Foil.
I personally wouldn't want to wear a "Tinfoil hat" How would you know what the aliens are planning next.
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