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dave
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Re: Court Rules Texas Schoolgirl Must Be RFID Tagged Or Expelled

Let's break it down:

- A government-issued id is the 'mark of the beast'
- He that issued the id ('forced everyone to receive a mark') is the antichrist
- Therefore 'the government' is the antichrist
- Therefore 'the government' is a figure of concentrated evil

That seems awfully like sedition. As well as crazy.

What is batshit crazy here is not the belief in the antichrist, mark of the beast, etc., but the nonsense that the government is a representative of the antichrist and that an official identification is the mark of the beast.


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Any chance we can return to the subject and skip the religious lectures? Or are we done here?


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said by dave:

Let's break it down:
- A government-issued id is the 'mark of the beast'
- He that issued the id ('forced everyone to receive a mark') is the antichrist
- Therefore 'the government' is the antichrist
- Therefore 'the government' is a figure of concentrated evil
That seems awfully like sedition. As well as crazy.

What is batshit crazy here is not the belief in the antichrist, mark of the beast, etc., but the nonsense that the government is a representative of the antichrist and that an official identification is the mark of the beast.

Assuming that were an accurate breakdown, it would still leave it as only an analysis of a person's Scripture interpretation associated with a resulting belief. Sedition is the causing of insurrection or forceful resistance against a government, and I don't see where the girl did any more than refuse to wear the ID or lanyard, and when compelled, sought relief from a court.

With regards to the "nonsense" of a government's possibly being representative of the AntiChrist, most folks who place credence in the eventual appearance of an AntiChrist largely agree that his power will be expressed through forceful governance of some kind, hence the ability to compel people to receive his mark. So the question then devolves down to whether this government at this point in time is representing such a creature. While I disagree that to be the case in this situation, the concept in principle is not so 'nonsensical' to those who believe it will come to pass some day at some time. Hence, the girl's belief is not so nonsensical as it might seem... only misplaced in time and place and method, IMO.
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said by Duramax08:

im pretty sure they are taking attendance the ol fashion way...

The entire reason they claim they are using it in the first place is for attendance tracking.

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Guys. This thread is not about particular religion and its symbolism. It's not about antichrist or mark-of-the-beast, which BTW, is in every barcode marked every merchandise to sell... and no one cares about it. It's about tagging people in order to watch and control them. What is important to notice here, the tagging is supposed to be done with government funding (read, on taxpayers money)... And IMHO, that is much more serious issue, than symbolism in a particular religion.

Some control freaks want us to believe that society should accepts this kind of treatment as a routine. And they want to start it with children, as it's easy to do with them and they're ready to accept the new role of Bib Brother in modern society as an established status quo...

Control freaks think that tagging could help to increase attendance... Yeah, right. It's like installing hidden cameras in children private rooms could increase leaning scores. They don't want to find out and see the real cause of kids, trying to avoid schools. All they want is an immediate solution, which they think the tagging of kids is. Some of them may be ready to allow to RFIDs their own kids like own pets right now. Some of them are installing tracking devices to watch their children 24/7...

But, I guess, the discussion is not about them. It's about us (even not about our children, they will be "us" pretty soon). Do we, as a modern society, want to be tagged and, as a result, permanently watched by Big Brother (which is supposed to be done on our taxpayers money) or not? That's the question that we need to answer.
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Duramax08
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I believe this is why they are trying out the RFID tags.....

»www.ksat.com/news/Dozens-of-stud···dex.html

"SAN ANTONIO -
Residents of a neighborhood near John Jay High School said they've been terrorized a few times a week for years by the students who go there.

Video sent to KSAT shows dozens of students gathering in the road near Marbach and Woodgate, many of the meetings end in fights.

Neighbors said it happens at least twice a week, often times stealing things, damaging property, even assaulting people who try and drive through the crowd.

I feel like a prisoner in my home, said one woman, who wont let her young children out of the house.

In one video, one police car shows up, and the crowd disperses only after an officer shoots pepper spray into the air.

Theyve done that before though and the kids always come back, said a neighbor.

Northside Independent School District said it has suspended a few of the kids in the video, but beyond that, there isnt much they can do because the incidents happen off school property."
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said by Duramax08:

...Northside Independent School District said it has suspended a few of the kids in the video, but beyond that, there isnt much they can do because the incidents happen off school property."

So how would the school's RFID tag provide any help with these incidents if the kids are off school property at the time (and likely well beyond the range of any in-school tracking gear)?
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Plus 1.


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Well, actually, there's no legitimate reason to systematically run ALL plates like *ahem* some places. You rob a bank in a big black van with well-worn paint, they just stop all black vans and scan your VIN/DL. But that's not convenient enough so we compromise our privacy and require well-lit plates with nice little invisible barcodes. It's come to bite us in the rear in places that do fishing expeditions and 'congestion charges'.


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You mean the school that you're forced to attend?

dave
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So now we're saying that compulsory education is also an infringment on someone's religion?


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said by dave:

So now we're saying that compulsory education is also an infringment on someone's religion?

Ask the Amish. They believe only in the necessity of children learning how to read, write, and do basic math. In most states with a major Amish population, school attendance is only compulsory through the 8th grade. In a number of states, they are allowed to operate their own schools (normally one-room) using their own teachers and techniques, with only limited state requirements and supply of curriculum. It's a compromise, in some cases worked out only after major legal battle over the conflict between 'cumpulsory education' and the religious beliefs of the Amish.
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said by goalieskates:

Any chance we can return to the subject and skip the religious lectures? Or are we done here?

What religious lecture? Stating someone has rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not constitute a religious lecture.


Duramax08
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said by Blackbird:

said by Duramax08:

...Northside Independent School District said it has suspended a few of the kids in the video, but beyond that, there isnt much they can do because the incidents happen off school property."

So how would the school's RFID tag provide any help with these incidents if the kids are off school property at the time (and likely well beyond the range of any in-school tracking gear)?

Its on one of the bad sides of town. Imagine if these kids didnt have the RFID tags at school, they would be skipping like crazy WHICH IS WHY they were doing a trail here.
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said by OZO :
It's about tagging people in order to watch and control them.
Indeed it is my friend!

Treating ppl like CATTLE!!



I am proud of this girl for resisting this crap and i hope she doesnt back down!!


Duramax08
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For christ sakes, they are kids. They should be in schoool.

Oh no! they know what teachers room they just walked into for class. OH NO, they just walked into the cafeteria. Oh no, they know they are incase they need to find them incase of a emergency. And is a bad part of town. God forbid these kids get a proper education.
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Cheese
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said by La Luna:

said by Dude111:

Yes this is BS....... I hope she continues to refuse to wear this spying trash!!

Why? So the school knows she's where she belongs instead of out in the parking lot smoking or something? Heaven forbid!!!

And how is it "spying" on her? Does it film her when she goes home or when she goes to the bathroom?

She's in a PUBLIC school. Their property, their rules. Don't like it, go to a private school or be home schooled.

Don't feed it...

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reply to FF4m3

Re: Court Rules Texas Schoolgirl Must Be RFID Tagged Or Expelled

There are a number of things that strike me here.

First, they offered her a lanyard with no RFID tag... it's like wearing a school uniform. There are fair and legitimate arguments for allowing staff to quickly and easily identify those who should be at the school. Yes, the lanyards can be passed around, but if you don't have one, you're out.

Second, attendance does not just have to be to get money. Quick, accurate attendance can also help the school avoid legal troubles should a kid skip class undetected. Truancy is obviously a problem, so if the school knows who is in class and whether the "skippers" are in the building, they can manage attendance better and get the calls out to the parents to let them know the kid is not there and try and find them.

Either way, the school is doing nothing wrong here. They are trying to manage liability and these tags do that in a number of ways.