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Robert4
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Re: Ontario - Lodge complaint about Vet?

Being married to a very accomplished and competent vet, I can say that your white washing them as money grubbing lying inbreds is disgraceful. Just like in everything else in life, if you don't like the service, take your business elsewhere and get a second opinion.

If you are going to complain about the cost of professional medical advice, then don't get a fucking animal. A drawback to our health care is that owners have no idea the cost of treatment/bloodwork/xrays/surgery, so when they hear it at the vet, they go bonkers.

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said by Robert4:

Being married to a very accomplished and competent vet, I can say that your white washing them as money grubbing lying inbreds is disgraceful.

I don't see where he said any such thing. Maybe it is you that is painting someone unfairly.

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He complained about a simple visit to the emergency vet was $135, he said the vet was lying through his teeth. I stand by my comment.

Wolfie00
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You might possibly be overreacting to his complaint, which seems to be about the competence or lack thereof of one particular vet. I can't comment on whether that's justified, but to clarify my own comment made above, I have the greatest respect for my vet, and I think between him and myself, my dog got the very best care.

The advice to consider putting him down due to fear-aggression when he was young didn't come from him, but either from another vet in the same facility or maybe from one of the trainers (can't remember). With regard to the neurological disease, at no point did he encourage me to put him down, it was just something that was discussed. He was the one who referred me to a specialist where MRI's were done, and later to the Guelph Veterinary College. He is also the one who sent me a card after the dog died, with a beautiful and lengthy tribute to the dog and to what I had done for him.

The only point I was making, again, speaking for myself, is that some professionals -- vets and others -- may be a little too quick to recommend putting down an animal that is sick or lame, and a bit of resistance is sometimes wise, because a great deal can be done with love and care.
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said by Robert4:

Being married to a very accomplished and competent vet, I can say that your white washing them as money grubbing lying inbreds is disgraceful. Just like in everything else in life, if you don't like the service, take your business elsewhere and get a second opinion.

If you are going to complain about the cost of professional medical advice, then don't get a fucking animal. A drawback to our health care is that owners have no idea the cost of treatment/bloodwork/xrays/surgery, so when they hear it at the vet, they go bonkers.

Sounds like there is lots of gouging going on by veterinarians in Canada.

»www.cbc.ca/marketplace/e ··· let.html
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Actually last week I got a quote of $4k to amputate my cats front paw. Now this is from a "specialized" feline doc but after doing some reading most amputations don't cost anywhere near what I was quote.

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said by peterboro:

Sounds like there is lots of gouging going on by veterinarians in Canada.

Where is the evidence for "gouging"?

My vet is expensive but worth every penny. I have no problem with it. As for cost of medications, vets dispense most of them because there's no other outlet for them. I don't see any evidence that there's any more "gouging" than at the corner pharmacy. You think those drugs are a bargain?

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Wow taking this to heart? I said the emergency vet is expensive, nowhere did I say they were money grubby!
That said I did get a 2nd opinion, and the cat is severely backed up, causing discomfort and dehydration.

I call it incompetent, because before it was a "food allergy" she did note he might be backed up, but decided to take my money instead. When I took him in again, the solution was to put him down.

The 2nd vet explained what was going on, showed me the xrays (no mass in his belly) and I elected to have him cleaned out.

I'm certainly not painting every vet with this broad stroke, but this one for sure.
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Pet pharmacy for meds, for eg the vet charges over 90 bucks for flea meds, that I get for under 60 at the pet pharmacy.
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I was going to post that, the "consultant tells them the way to my wallet is my heart strings".

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Where is the pet pharmacy
Ive seen them on line but my understanding its for USA
I could use that for the heartworm treatment

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Google ontario pet pharmacy, with the heartworm version, you'll need script, it's not OTC

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said by elwoodblues:

Pet pharmacy for meds, for eg the vet charges over 90 bucks for flea meds, that I get for under 60 at the pet pharmacy.

I've never heard of them, to be honest, but why would it be surprising that a business that tries to make its living by selling medications would be selling them for less than the vet? Vets often sell dog food, too, usually the more specialized kind, but when there is overlap between what they sell and what you can get at the giant pet supermarket, the pet supermarket is of course cheaper. I don't call that "gouging." Sometimes these sensationalized "investigative reporting" stories piss me off.

I picked up some dog food at the vet once just for convenience when I was there with my dog, and they forgot to add it to the bill. I went back a few days later and paid for it. They have to make a living, too.

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»www.petpharm.org/index.htm
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The pet food they sell is basically specialized crap by Hills, it's full of by products and filler, I tend to feed my cats a better quality food.

Wolfie00
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said by elwoodblues:

... I tend to feed my cats a better quality food.

The pet food debate is a whole other topic. I'm quite familiar with it! My dog's diet, in any case, was mostly not dog food at all. The kibble was just a base for real food, like home made pot roast or barbecued chicken or steak. His favourite -- but only when he was a really good boy -- was seared but rare bacon-wrapped filet off the BBQ, toothpicks removed. If he was a really good boy he'd also get a big bowl of vanilla ice cream for dessert. What does your cat eat?

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Not Vanilla ice cream, or pot roast....

I tend to buy food that has "real ingredients in it"

The top 5 ingridients in a popular cat food, Friskies :

Ground yellow corn
Corn gluten meal
Chicken by-product meal
Meat and bone meal
Soybean meal

Mostly filler, but somebody got paid off and it's approved by the American Vet association.
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Where is the evidence for "gouging"?

"reach in their wallets" and "piece of the action" a video is worth a thousand words. So an industry isn't sleazy enough already and you have seminars on how to gouge people at conventions.

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Thanks !
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For those that have cats you can use the Original Advantage for dogs on your cats. The one for dogs comes in way bigger sizes and is much cheaper. Two vets told me its the same formulation.

koira
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I would be looking online at revolution for heart worm
Its pushed a lot by the vets around these parts during the warm months

Robert4
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Just like all businesses, you are going to see bad apples. However my bride has gone to many conferences and at no time did she nor her colleagues attend "gouging" clinics.

We are going to another one in a month. I will keep an eye out for you (I am interested to see what courses can be seen) , however Marketplace journalism in general leaves a lot to be desired at times since they too will throw everyone in the same group under their bus.

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Marketplace journalism might be sensational , but you cant deny that " consultant" telling vets how to gouge pet owners.

Robert4
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I refuse to watch it. I am curious, was the consultant associated with any of the Colleges or Associations? I highly doubt it, as they hold themselves to high standards. Where is he from?

A Lurker
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said by elwoodblues:

The top 5 ingridients in a popular cat food, Friskies :

I buy a better quality dry (grain free actually), but man, when you need to sprinkle meds into something .... Fancy Feast all the way.

Pork tenderloin and chicken go over well too.

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Funny how they lunge at Fancy Feast.
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said by A Lurker:

Pork tenderloin and chicken go over well too.

I believe pork is to be avoided when feeding cats something to do with the fat.

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Their livers have a hard time processing large amounts of fat.

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said by analog andy:

I believe pork is to be avoided when feeding cats something to do with the fat.

Yes, I wouldn't give them other cuts, but tenderloin is actually fairly low-fat. I've actually seen in recommended if making your own raw food diets. Actually, from this site, it's fatty acid profile is closest to a mouse.

»www.holisticat.com/chunk.html
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Speaking of gauging going on

So took my cat to another vet today as he was sneezing for the last 4 days and wanted to make sure it wasn't URI as I have 6 other cats. While I was there I talked about my amputating my cats paw. So this vet quoted me $869 for the amputation plus $279 for pulling one of my cats canines as its broken from when the car hit him and could cause issues for him later.

Now you wanna see a vet gauging. The previous vet "feline only vet" quoted me just under $4k for the amputation not including the $480 I just spent on x-rays and other tests to see if any of his bones were broken in the paralyzed paw.

Now I wouldn't be saying anything if this was a standard price but obviously I was to be shafted hard with out lube by the "feline" vet.
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said by peterboro:

Sounds like there is lots of gouging going on by veterinarians in Canada.

Where is the evidence for "gouging"?

My vet is expensive but worth every penny. I have no problem with it. As for cost of medications, vets dispense most of them because there's no other outlet for them. I don't see any evidence that there's any more "gouging" than at the corner pharmacy. You think those drugs are a bargain?