2 edits | A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... This article gives us a nice summary of what has happened and some of the comments by the subject matter experts:
»business.financialpost.com/2013/···ntation/
...In the BMG case, the ISPs also challenged the quality of the evidence and the court held that much of what the record companies submitted was hearsay and dismissed the motion on that basis.
David Fewer, the director of CIPPIC, the public interest clinic based at the University of Ottawa, said he does not think the materials Voltage has filed are sufficient.
If granted intervenor status, the clinic would seek to challenge the film studio’s material, which includes an affidavit from Barry Logan, the owner of a Montreal-based Canipre Inc., the forensic investigation firm that identified the IP addresses.
“It’s hearsay evidence. There’s very little in that affidavit that they’ve filed in support that gives us confidence that they’ve met the legal burden,” Mr. Fewer said.
While Mr. Knopf did not comment specifically on Voltage’s material, he said if it is inadequate, TekSavvy taking a stand against it would be an easy win for the company with its customers and would not sacrifice its status as a neutral party.
“It’s simply not right for anyone to assume that protecting privacy in any way amounts to endorsing piracy,” Mr. Knopf said. “They’re just completely separate issues.” |
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| I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.
If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.
Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.
Mind you I don't steal. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... It is obvious that you are clueless to the situation.
No one has stolen anything or infringed any copyright material until there is actually a trail so labelling everyone as thieves show how much an education you really have. The motion is AGAINST Teksavvy at this point and it is a privacy issue not pirate issue, known the difference but maybe you belong to a communist society. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... Also I guess all the subject matter experts are wrong and you... A lonely Doe is right? Lol Get off your high horse buddy... |
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said by John Doe 188 :I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.
If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.
Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.
Mind you I don't steal.
You miss the entire point of the article and situation.
TSI should not and cannot defend anyone of Copyright infringement, they have no proof, evidence or right to.
On the same token, Voltage also has no concrete evidence or proof to of Commercial copyright infringement, or more importantly ...ANY PROOF that a person associated with a ISP internet account was the person associated with a 3rd party scan of a torrent Swarm.
For this reason alone, TSI SHOULD be fighting for its Customer PRIVACY rights. I was under the impression that this would be the case...
Marc , without a long winded, legally checked and re checked , informal statement, will TSI be fighting to protect its Customers Privacy come Jan 14 and beyond if necessary.
In my opinion, TSI has every right to fight to protect their Customers privacy, especially against a clearly defunk company that has made copyright trolling an established revenue stream ( if not the only revenue stream ) for its business.
Please keep in mind that TSI is the only one named in the current proceeding to reveal Customer Data........ |
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Your saying that Teksavvy has failed its customers and itself, in no way makes it so. Not sure how the summary overtly brings one to that conclusion. All I got from that article and some of the ranting going on here, is that the moniker of "bad guy" has somehow shifted away from Voltage to Teksavvy. I personally think that is a result of simplistic black and white thinking more than anything else. That, and some would prefer to utter their "charge" commands from the safety of their own armchair.
There are obviously issues at hand here that affect everyone to some degree. Blaming teksavvy is just dumb. |
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| Is it "dumb" or a dumb business decision?
As stated TSI prides on being different and customer friendly. If this had any merit no one would care to chime in and CPPIC would stay out of it. To be it is "dumb" on a company's party to not question the validity of the claim before it hands out personal information. |
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Is it "dumb" or a dumb business decision?
As stated TSI prides on being different and customer friendly. If this had any merit no one would care to chime in and CPPIC would stay out of it. To me it is "dumb" on a company's party to not question the validity of the claim before it hands out personal information. |
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Saying TSI has failed it's customers is like blaming Ford for not defending you against a speeding ticket.
TSI provides a phenomenal service, what you do with that service is not their problem. If you want it to be their problem, then you can expect all kinds of throttling and firewalling to start happening.
You cannot have a wide open unlimited Internet connection and then complain when that very service brings unwanted attention.
I think people need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you downloaded the content, you are guilty and it is not TSI's problem.
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| I have no problem defending my actions when it comes to it at the second stage but as my service provide who should safe guard my private information do you think it is too much to question the validity of the claims before disclosure? Have you fully ready and understood the claims or seem any concrete evidence? |
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LOL...
A small town simplistic approach Matt.
Hell - why not make it an epic battle of good VS bad.
Enjoy feeding the copyright trolls - a man's gotta eat, right? |
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said by JohnDoe187:Is it "dumb" or a dumb business decision? In my opinion, it is dumb to blame teksavvy. Dumb business decision? That's not a simple answer if you are the one running the business. However, it's far, FAR too easy to say that from the outside looking in. Considering the time that TSI spent researching their options, I wouldn't think they were uninformed or had neglected to weigh all options when making that decision.
said by JohnDoe187:As stated TSI prides on being different and customer friendly. If this had any merit no one would care to chime in and CPPIC would stay out of it. To be it is "dumb" on a company's party to not question the validity of the claim before it hands out personal information. As far as I can see, being different and customer friendly is not necessarily mutually exclusive to their decision. Now if Teksavvy had said they were the champions of justice, I would give you the slam dunk on that.
There is merit to the problems expressed with giving Voltage that info. As far as I know, Teksavvy is not disputing that. I don't dispute that either. I disagree with saying that Teksavvy is dumb for remaining neutral. That is a bit simplistic. |
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| Did you read the article about questioning the validity of the claims and still keep their neutral status? I guess not. |
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| said by JohnDoe187:Did you read the article about questioning the validity of the claims and still keep their neutral status? I guess not.
No. Feel free to post a link to it and I'd be more than happy to read it. |
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said by JohnDoe187:http://www.financialpost.com/m/wp/legal-post/blog.html?b=business.financialpost.com/2013/01/10/hundreds-targetted-in-illegal-downloading-case-may-lack-court-representation
This link isn't going anywhere for me. edit: fixed link: » business.financialpost.com/2013/···entation |
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My apologies see below post by avp77 |
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said by John Doe 188 :I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.
If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.
Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.
Mind you I don't steal.
1. You clearly don't understand what theft or stealing is. Feel free to look up the meaning.
2. You're either too young 10 years old and have no clue what you're saying or you're older 60-80 and have no clue how the internet works. No one person with a head on their shoulders would paint everyone as a pirate because they got a magic letter.
Maybe try reading for a change. Several articles not just this one referenced over the last month. There are also several articles, blogs etc from regular folk to lawyers and copyright experts that can explain it your terms as to how your way of thinking is wrong.
Grow up or do your research before you paint "us all" as people who "steal" lol.
said by mattvmotas:Saying TSI has failed it's customers is like blaming Ford for not defending you against a speeding ticket.
TSI provides a phenomenal service, what you do with that service is not their problem. If you want it to be their problem, then you can expect all kinds of throttling and firewalling to start happening.
You cannot have a wide open unlimited Internet connection and then complain when that very service brings unwanted attention.
I think people need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you downloaded the content, you are guilty and it is not TSI's problem.
Speeding ticket = uh oh, i'm behind the wheel. Yup i was driving. Caught red handed.
Copyright/piracy = uh...no. No proof who was the one doing the downloading and if you have wifi in a house, to be quite honest it can be any billy joe bob who did it from in your house to on the street. Don't be so naive.
How does people assuming their privacy is TSI's problem have ANYTHING to do with throttling, Firewalling ? (odd one) Just for that comment alone you have no clue.
said by cmotors:said by JohnDoe187:Is it "dumb" or a dumb business decision? In my opinion, it is dumb to blame teksavvy. Dumb business decision? That's not a simple answer if you are the one running the business. However, it's far, FAR too easy to say that from the outside looking in. Considering the time that TSI spent researching their options, I wouldn't think they were uninformed or had neglected to weigh all options when making that decision. said by JohnDoe187:As stated TSI prides on being different and customer friendly. If this had any merit no one would care to chime in and CPPIC would stay out of it. To be it is "dumb" on a company's party to not question the validity of the claim before it hands out personal information. As far as I can see, being different and customer friendly is not necessarily mutually exclusive to their decision. Now if Teksavvy had said they were the champions of justice, I would give you the slam dunk on that. There is merit to the problems expressed with giving Voltage that info. As far as I know, Teksavvy is not disputing that. I don't dispute that either. I disagree with saying that Teksavvy is dumb for remaining neutral. That is a bit simplistic. I think you miss the point. Forget my point, let's just point out several copyright experts and lawyers agree with those of us that find TSI is rolling over. |
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