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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers.. said by TSI Marc 
But it's right for Knopf to assume.
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said by Tx:I think my point was if i want a lawyer specific to one thing, it'd be that lawyer. I don't 100% understand how hiring a lawyer or a firm work to be honest.
Rare is the lawyer who works ONLY on one narrow part of the law.
Think about it - in Canada there are N lawyers spread over M cities practicing all kinds of law. Copyright law LITIGATION and privacy law LITGATION doesn't occur every day in every city, or even every month.
Much as we all may feel otherwise, lawyers gotta eat too. So they branch out into related fields which are as closely aligned to their core interests as possible (which mostly occurs at large firms, though it can occur at small boutique firms).
Do you think if you have a brake problem with a Porsche that there's one mechanic at every Porsche dealer who does nothing but brakes all the time? Of course not. But there may be one guy who does brakes, suspension & steering 80% of the time. |
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I think my point was if i want a lawyer specific to one thing, it'd be that lawyer. I don't 100% understand how hiring a lawyer or a firm work to be honest.
The way this as been treated by Stikeman Elliott, seems a bit suspicious to me, since the legal arguments made, don't really protect TSI a whole deal when all is said and done. It opens up the floor for mass litigation, and as a result firms with financial interests in copyright could very well cash in. In fact Stikeman seem to have put TSI at greater risk as a result of the legal arguments here. My thoughts anyway.
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said by MaynardKrebs:said by Tx:I think my point was if i want a lawyer specific to one thing, it'd be that lawyer. I don't 100% understand how hiring a lawyer or a firm work to be honest.
Rare is the lawyer who works ONLY on one narrow part of the law. Think about it - in Canada there are N lawyers spread over M cities practicing all kinds of law. Copyright law LITIGATION and privacy law LITGATION doesn't occur every day in every city, or even every month. Much as we all may feel otherwise, lawyers gotta eat too. So they branch out into related fields which are as closely aligned to their core interests as possible (which mostly occurs at large firms, though it can occur at small boutique firms). Do you think if you have a brake problem with a Porsche that there's one mechanic at every Porsche dealer who does nothing but brakes all the time? Of course not. But there may be one guy who does brakes, suspension & steering 80% of the time. If we turn that analogy around about a regular mechanic they won't touch a porsche simply because it's not something they know well enough. Engines as a whole are the same but require an expert in that type of engine to work on it.
Take for example a ford vs my VW. Ford is a basic DOHC type motor. My VW that i actually own is a bit different. I have a cam follower i need to worry about and how that functions changes the engines maintenance.
Point is, you may be able to branch out slightly but unless trained in that field, that field of law, you're not an expert in it. Howard is in this case a copyright expert and practises strictly in copyright law. "copyright, trade-marks, cyberlaw, and related issues.
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He is the Chairman of the Copyright Policy Committee of the Canadian Bar Association and was recently advisor to the Law Commission of Canada on security interests in intellectual property
If i were to hire a lawyer it'd be him not Nicholas McHaffie if it pertained to copyright law. |
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| said by Tx:said by MaynardKrebs:said by Tx:I think my point was if i want a lawyer specific to one thing, it'd be that lawyer. I don't 100% understand how hiring a lawyer or a firm work to be honest.
Rare is the lawyer who works ONLY on one narrow part of the law. Think about it - in Canada there are N lawyers spread over M cities practicing all kinds of law. Copyright law LITIGATION and privacy law LITGATION doesn't occur every day in every city, or even every month. Much as we all may feel otherwise, lawyers gotta eat too. So they branch out into related fields which are as closely aligned to their core interests as possible (which mostly occurs at large firms, though it can occur at small boutique firms). Do you think if you have a brake problem with a Porsche that there's one mechanic at every Porsche dealer who does nothing but brakes all the time? Of course not. But there may be one guy who does brakes, suspension & steering 80% of the time. If we turn that analogy around about a regular mechanic they won't touch a porsche simply because it's not something they know well enough. Engines as a whole are the same but require an expert in that type of engine to work on it. Take for example a ford vs my VW. Ford is a basic DOHC type motor. My VW that i actually own is a bit different. I have a cam follower i need to worry about and how that functions changes the engines maintenance. Point is, you may be able to branch out slightly but unless trained in that field, that field of law, you're not an expert in it. Howard is in this case a copyright expert and practises strictly in copyright law. "copyright, trade-marks, cyberlaw, and related issues. quote:
He is the Chairman of the Copyright Policy Committee of the Canadian Bar Association and was recently advisor to the Law Commission of Canada on security interests in intellectual property
If i were to hire a lawyer it'd be him not Nicholas McHaffie if it pertained to copyright law. To each his own.
Nicholas McHaffie is a partner in Stikeman Elliott's Litigation, Intellectual Property, and Competition and Foreign Investment groups in Ottawa. He practices in the area of
a) litigation [ok, we're litigating in Federal Court, so - check],
with a primary emphasis on
b) intellectual property [this case is partly copyright, so - check],
c) public law [law governing the relationship between individuals (citizens, companies) and the state - Charter and Privacy, so - check],
d) administrative/regulatory [well since the regulations governing the new copyright law are non-existent at the moment - check], and
e) commercial matters [this is a civil, not a criminal case, so - check]
Seems to me that most of the bases are covered. |
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| said by MaynardKrebs:To each his own.
Nicholas McHaffie is a partner in Stikeman Elliott's Litigation, Intellectual Property, and Competition and Foreign Investment groups in Ottawa. He practices in the area of
a) litigation [ok, we're litigating in Federal Court, so - check],
with a primary emphasis on
b) intellectual property [this case is partly copyright, so - check],
c) public law [law governing the relationship between individuals (citizens, companies) and the state - Charter and Privacy, so - check],
d) administrative/regulatory [well since the regulations governing the new copyright law are non-existent at the moment - check], and
e) commercial matters [this is a civil, not a criminal case, so - check]
Seems to me that most of the bases are covered.
You can argue differences all day long. Howard is the preferred lawyer when it comes to copyright law. Period. Let's also not ignore the fact that Howard brings up very valid points that Teksavvy has yet to answer where customers have asked.
When you have 1 reputable copyright lawyer and expert questioning Teksavvy's motives it's enough to question everything.
When everyone wakes up and smells the coffee and see's unicorns do not exist it make be a safer place. The whole argument is lost until you understand what civil rights you are willing to sacrifice in the name of what exactly?
I've lost count how many naive people think "if you don't download anything illegal you'll be safe". For this small minded way of thinking people are willing to sacrifice privacy rights.
Hell it's not even illegal to download a movie in Canada and it's not theft or stealing. |
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| Wow awesome Marc came in here to make a few one word responses and a stupid one liner! Way to go Teksavvy... |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... Oh how I wish Rocky would extend such a failed 3rd choice ISP to my area here in Florida. I'd drop AT&T in less than a heart beat. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers.. said by MaynardKrebs:said by Tx:I think my point was if i want a lawyer specific to one thing, it'd be that lawyer. I don't 100% understand how hiring a lawyer or a firm work to be honest.
Rare is the lawyer who works ONLY on one narrow part of the law. Think about it - in Canada there are N lawyers spread over M cities practicing all kinds of law. Copyright law LITIGATION and privacy law LITGATION doesn't occur every day in every city, or even every month. Much as we all may feel otherwise, lawyers gotta eat too. So they branch out into related fields which are as closely aligned to their core interests as possible (which mostly occurs at large firms, though it can occur at small boutique firms). Do you think if you have a brake problem with a Porsche that there's one mechanic at every Porsche dealer who does nothing but brakes all the time? Of course not. But there may be one guy who does brakes, suspension & steering 80% of the time. so a lawyer is a creature that needs to eat real food
wish they didnt have to do that so often with all hte money they make they must be giant sized by now? |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... hi cynic10,
Please let me know how the service of start.ca is. Do you know what their log retention is. I am considering leaving Teksavvy as well. I am just waiting to see what will happen on Monday. But, I don't have a good feeling about it. |
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| said by TraderOne :hi cynic10,
Please let me know how the service of start.ca is. Do you know what their log retention is. I am considering leaving Teksavvy as well. I am just waiting to see what will happen on Monday. But, I don't have a good feeling about it.
Will do. But you'll have to wait around Feb 8 or so before I can give answer since that is when my service start. Since they require 10 business days notice to startup and my new billing period starts around same week I had it delayed until Feb 8.
But there is a site for it and the reviews seems good so far.
»forums.redflagdeals.com/start-co···1151057/
And you can find some customers' experience w/ them on DSLreport too. »Start Communications |
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Pretty big mistake on TSI's part here. Oh, well. Fighting for privacy is a losing battle, isn't it? Year by year just gets chipped away. |
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hi cynic10,
Thank you for your reply and info.
I email Start.ca for their log retention time last night. They emailed me back in less than 2 hours at 2:41 am. I wonder if these guys even sleep. Here is their answer.
Hello *** and thanks for your interest. Our log retention is 90 days. Thanks and have a great weekend.
Peter Rocca
Start Communications
519-434-5888 / 1-877-78-START
Ok. They have the same log retention as Teksavvy. I will ask them for their stance on customer privacy protection after Monday.
If Teksavvy rolls over on Monday, I will switch even though I may not get a better service elsewhere. Customers need to send out message to ISPs that breaching customer privacy will not be tolerated. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... I will be switching providers as well, if TSI does not oppose the motion on Monday. I will switch even if I have to pay more elsewhere. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers.. said by JohnDoe187:Wow awesome Marc came in here to make a few one word responses and a stupid one liner! Way to go Teksavvy...
Honestly, What do you expect them to do. They're fighting a court battle and you want them to publicly state their intentions and reasoning on an open forum. Give your head a shake.
I don't care who Konpf is, he's a lawyer with an opionon. I can find you 10 other Lawyers all with direct experience in the copyright field who will give you 10 different answers. The fact that one agrees with what people on this forum are saying means nothing.
I'm sure Tek has a very good strategy for this case as it does direct involve them. The fact that they've mentioned if they didn't ask for more time their customers wouldn't know what hit them, tells me that there's MUCH more at play behind the scenes that we don't know about and haven't heard.
Even if they agreed to not oppose the motion, it's the judge who decides if they can proceed or not and it certainly doesn't mean that they can't raise concerns on privacy while not opposing it.
TLDR; there's more to this than we and any of the other speculators know |
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| said by prairiesky:said by JohnDoe187:Wow awesome Marc came in here to make a few one word responses and a stupid one liner! Way to go Teksavvy...
Honestly, What do you expect them to do. They're fighting a court battle and you want them to publicly state their intentions and reasoning on an open forum. Give your head a shake. I don't care who Konpf is, he's a lawyer with an opionon. I can find you 10 other Lawyers all with direct experience in the copyright field who will give you 10 different answers. The fact that one agrees with what people on this forum are saying means nothing. I'm sure Tek has a very good strategy for this case as it does direct involve them. The fact that they've mentioned if they didn't ask for more time their customers wouldn't know what hit them, tells me that there's MUCH more at play behind the scenes that we don't know about and haven't heard. Even if they agreed to not oppose the motion, it's the judge who decides if they can proceed or not and it certainly doesn't mean that they can't raise concerns on privacy while not opposing it. TLDR; there's more to this than we and any of the other speculators know Ok, please find me 10 others who disagree. Seeing as Konpf is a respected lawyer in this field. I ask you provide me with at least 30% of that 10 you're so sure about.
How are you so sure TSI has a strategy? There is none, they already made their plans known to us and to the courts. |
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said by prairiesky:Honestly, What do you expect them to do. They're fighting a court battle and you want them to publicly state their intentions and reasoning on an open forum. Give your head a shake.
I don't care who Konpf is, he's a lawyer with an opionon.............
I'm sure Tek has a very good strategy for this case as it does direct involve them. The fact that they've mentioned if they didn't ask for more time their customers wouldn't know what hit them, tells me that there's MUCH more at play behind the scenes that we don't know about and haven't heard.......................
TLDR; there's more to this than we and any of the other speculators know
It's nice to see some sane heads in this thread from time to time. |
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| said by Bugblndr:said by prairiesky:Honestly, What do you expect them to do. They're fighting a court battle and you want them to publicly state their intentions and reasoning on an open forum. Give your head a shake.
I don't care who Konpf is, he's a lawyer with an opionon.............
I'm sure Tek has a very good strategy for this case as it does direct involve them. The fact that they've mentioned if they didn't ask for more time their customers wouldn't know what hit them, tells me that there's MUCH more at play behind the scenes that we don't know about and haven't heard.......................
TLDR; there's more to this than we and any of the other speculators know
It's nice to see some sane heads in this thread from time to time. And you're the one to judge whose the one with a "sane head"? Ever consider those passionate about this whole mess are not just arguing our own rights but yours too?
Everyone here has a "sane head?" odd. nevertheless, each have their opinions. Guess you consider Howard Konpf not of those "sane heads". I can't help but really truly and honestly laugh at you people who get caught with a smoking gun if you're next on Voltages MILLIONS of ip's they do have but waiting as this is a test case. Will you be apart of the 42 next round? Maybe it won't be caught next time.
Bringing up valid points, arguments and discussing them make us not have "sane heads".
Give your "sane head" a shake. Go disable that wireless router as well. Is your neighbour using it? Hopefully you're a hardwired house.
Point is, don't judge people because you feel ignorant to the facts and feel safe because you weren't on the first 2300 IP's. People are upset because voltage is a troll, extorting people. If you find this acceptable you're as bad as Voltage. |
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said by TSI Marc:said by apvm:According to Howard Knopf : “It’s simply not right for anyone to assume that protecting privacy in any way amounts to endorsing piracy,” Mr. Knopf said. “They’re just completely separate issues.”
But it's right for Knopf to assume. A cryptic pile of NOTHING........just like your rollover. |
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