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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers.. said by Bugblndr:It's nice to see some sane heads in this thread from time to time.
Versus anyone who doesn't agree with your view/opinion would be insane?
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| Through human history, there are always those who rather surrender then fight. particularly if the fight seems to affect the OTHER guy.
"I don't download, so why should I care".....
Until he gets a notice of a false positive or finds his name on a database, or someone hacks his wifi.
This privacy issue is very much an issue of......then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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said by Who:said by Bugblndr:It's nice to see some sane heads in this thread from time to time.
Versus anyone who doesn't agree with your view/opinion would be insane? It seem's unless you're up an ISP's ass or (product such as Apple/Microsoft) you're not a "sane head" because your views differ.
So unless we all in cult fashion start saying the same thing together we who oppose are not of the "sane heads"...
Odd mentality isn't it? |
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| said by Tx  It seem's unless you're up an ISP's ass or (product such as Apple/Microsoft) you're not a "sane head" because your views differ.
So unless we all in cult fashion start saying the same thing together we who oppose are not of the "sane heads"...
Odd mentality isn't it?
My point is, until the motion is heard and the results determined, no one here really knows what is going to go down or how it is going to go down. Marc has already stated that "I will be there to ensure your privacy is taken seriously...."
I wouldn't expect any of the players in this to post their full and true intentions of their strategy on such a public forum where their adversary could easily read it. I do know that if my IP was on the list, I would've already consulted with my attorney to determine my best course of action.
Monday should be interesting, and I do hope that Voltage gets shot down. They are the bad guys in this IMO, not Teksavvy. |
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| said by Bugblndr:said by Tx It seem's unless you're up an ISP's ass or (product such as Apple/Microsoft) you're not a "sane head" because your views differ.
So unless we all in cult fashion start saying the same thing together we who oppose are not of the "sane heads"...
Odd mentality isn't it?
I'm not up any ISP's ass, or software company's ass either. In the past 3 years I've used 4 different ISP's, Teksavvy two times. I use MS, Apple, and Linux OS's and don't consider myself a lemming. My point is, until the motion is heard and the results determined, no one here really knows what is going to go down or how it is going to go down. Marc has already stated that "I will be there to ensure your privacy is taken seriously...." I wouldn't expect any of the players in this to post their full and true intentions of their strategy on such a public forum where their adversary could easily read it. I do know that if my IP was on the list, I would've already consulted with my attorney to determine my best course of action. Monday should be interesting, and I do hope that Voltage gets shot down. They are the bad guys in this IMO, not Teksavvy. You are absolutely correct, Voltage are the bad guys, hands down. Anyone who agrees with them are fools. Name calling or not, they are. Problem is TSI is making it too easy for Voltage to extort their customers. This isn't some joe from ABC LLC that found 3 customers pirating his software and would like for it to stop. This is a far deeper issue. If TSI hands this info over, mark my words (should a judge grant it) Voltage will be back with tons more for months or years to come.
Unfortunately Teksavvy was entrusted to protect our privacy. When someone comes knocking at their door alleging they have IPs of people who downloaded a "move or software" then yea, not questioning it is odd. A judge allow voltage to compel this information if they say they have it along with a third party's affidavit saying so. It's too simple.
TSI get's rich off of a per IP/customer model and voltage creates a new revenue since their movies don't make enough money. At least to question the evidence and the method used to gather it and it's accuracy would have been nice. |
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| said by Tx:.....Problem is TSI is making it too easy for Voltage to extort their customers.
As "Hamilton Burger" of "Perry" Mason fame would say, "Immaterial, irrelevant, and incompetent, your Honor".
You don't know what is going to happen on Monday (unless you are now part of TSI's legal team) so your statement is merely speculative. |
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| said by MaynardKrebs:said by Tx:.....Problem is TSI is making it too easy for Voltage to extort their customers.
As "Hamilton Burger" of "Perry" Mason fame would say, "Immaterial, irrelevant, and incompetent, your Honor". You don't know what is going to happen on Monday (unless you are now part of TSI's legal team) so your statement is merely speculative. Care to explain how i and everyone of these forums doesn't? Marc has already publicly made this statement via the forums and the teksavvy blog. How exactly is it speculative based on the very statements from the CEO's plans on the matter?
Marc on his transparency with Teksavvy has already said Teksavvy's stance and what they plan to do. There will be no contesting it. They only asked the courts for more time to notify customers. That's it. Monday as per their agreement with the court, they are handing it over. |
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said by Tx:Monday as per their agreement with the court, they are handing it over.
If you aren't privy to backroom discussions or the intimate details of the legal strategy being cast this weekend (or not) then there is nothing more to say about the matter other than the Court may or may not decide in Voltage's favour, and that my friend is the only certainty in this whole process.
TSI isn't tendering anything to Voltage without being ordered by the Court to do so, thus your colourful phrase of "handing it over" is about as accurate as saying the moon is made from a delightful blend of Cambozzola, Swiss, Brie, and Venezuelan Beaver cheeses.
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| No, you made a statement that i do not know what teksavvy is doing. I answered that i do. As do we all. How? This is what Teksavvy is known for. Transparency.
Marc announced it himself. Through the horses mouth. No speculation, no assumptions.
Why are you trying to make that statement more then it is?
Have you read nothing? They already had the motion to disclose handed to them. »www.teksavvy.com/Media/Default/C···tion.pdf
They have already (Marc) said they will not contest it. What does being privy to backroom discussions have to do with anything? That's all this was about. Nothing about what a court may decide.
Maybe i'll simplify it for you. The "colorful" phrase used was in terms of what their original plan they told us customers and the courts they will do January 14th, 2013. Thus handing user information over. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers...
On April 7, 2003, two days before Baghdad fell to US forces, "Baghdad Bob" claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. He made this statement while standing on the east bank of the Dijli (Tigris) River in the center of Baghdad. His back was to the river and reporters could see two American Army M1 Abrams tanks behind him on a road on the far side of the river. His last public appearance as Information Minister was on April 8, 2003, when he said that the Americans "are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender".
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers.. I really don't understand these fan boys. 1st of all, Teksavvy's position is very clear, they will release their customers' information with a court order and they will not contest.
Without contest, it meant they will not even ask if the IP address was just a unlucky draw from a lottery box.
What upset me is although I never won anything more than $10 with all the 649 tickets I purchased but I do not want to end up as one of the winners of their unlucky draw.
I don't make $400,000 out of this mess and I sure don't want to be one paying part of that $400,000 in the future.
One last thing is, I don't care how long an ISP will keep their logs but I care if that ISP will stand up for my privacy and will fight those who're trying to invade it. |
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Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers... said by MaynardKrebs:On April 7, 2003, two days before Baghdad fell to US forces, "Baghdad Bob" claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. He made this statement while standing on the east bank of the Dijli (Tigris) River in the center of Baghdad. His back was to the river and reporters could see two American Army M1 Abrams tanks behind him on a road on the far side of the river. His last public appearance as Information Minister was on April 8, 2003, when he said that the Americans "are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender".
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What does this have to do with the thread? |
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| said by Tx:said by MaynardKrebs:On April 7, 2003, two days before Baghdad fell to US forces, "Baghdad Bob" claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. He made this statement while standing on the east bank of the Dijli (Tigris) River in the center of Baghdad. His back was to the river and reporters could see two American Army M1 Abrams tanks behind him on a road on the far side of the river. His last public appearance as Information Minister was on April 8, 2003, when he said that the Americans "are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender".
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What does this have to do with the thread? It's allegorical. |
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| said by MaynardKrebs:said by Tx:said by MaynardKrebs:On April 7, 2003, two days before Baghdad fell to US forces, "Baghdad Bob" claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. He made this statement while standing on the east bank of the Dijli (Tigris) River in the center of Baghdad. His back was to the river and reporters could see two American Army M1 Abrams tanks behind him on a road on the far side of the river. His last public appearance as Information Minister was on April 8, 2003, when he said that the Americans "are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender".
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What does this have to do with the thread? It's allegorical. And this answers my post...... how? Actually never mind, I do not need another quote from wiki to answer this. |
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what looks good about start? is there something in their TOS (»www.start.ca/about/terms) that makes you think this wont happen with them? |
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| I'll let you answer this question yourself. Who is Voltage currently after?
Congrats, you now know why. For a lot of people, it's about sending a message. Doesn't matter what ISP it is. |
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Bump... |
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Actually, it's not that simple.
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You do get quite emotional, don't you. |
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I try to take a look at each side of the case.
From what i'm reading, I'm not really sure that Tek has grounds to oppose the motion. The motion isn't against tek, it's a motion to the court for to get tek to release the information.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of reasons for someone to oppose this, but the basic premise of this motion is that Voltage is asking the court to issue an order for Tek to release the information. Tek is a 3rd party to the motion. Any arguments that could come up would be weak at best.
example; our logs might be incorrect and we could give out the incorrect information..... That says that they keep crappy records, not really something you want to broadcast.
The 42 that were misinformed, again, a screw up on Teks part. It's tek's responisbility to make sure they info they give out is.
From what i'm seeing, they did what they did for a reason, and that was to allow others such as cippic to intervene. The fact that they cut a deal to allow for more time tells me that had they not done that, the motion would already have been granted and those letters would already be in the mail. Remember, this delay WOULD NOT have happened if they wouldn't have struck the deal. In essence we would already know the outcome of Monday's case 3 weeks ago and by the sounds of it, it would not have been pretty.
Now, Voltage may be a troll, but that doesn't mean they don't have rights to protect their content, no matter how crappy it is. If people are distributing content, they have a right to sue them. That being said, how they identify the uploader is a challenge they'll have to face when it goes to litigation.
The best way Tek is helping their customers is by charging a fee for each IP. As it's been pointed out, it'll cost Voltage money even before they have any information. They'll then have to decide if it's worth their effort to proceed. It's essentially a cock block.
From my point of view, they're doing what they can, while playing by the book, to make sure their customers are treated fairly. |
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