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Unless I'm reading this wrong, TekSavvy did raise in court the issues with the validity of Voltage's evidence. At this point you could say pretty conclusively that TekSavvy is opposing the motion, despite their earlier statement that they would not.

In the context of the relatively new Copyright Act the judge said it is important to get this right because the Act is new. Having arguments heard from both sides allows the judge to come to better informed decision. One side missing, could be some important details overlooked.

I'm not sure about this Gus, but I think perhaps there is a technical definition of "opposing" a motion (ie you have to declare your opposition to the court). It seems that TSI hasn't done this since the judge did mention that the motion is unopposed. But yes, they are definitely putting up walls designed to slow Voltage down and prevent or at least delay the release of customer information.

Should the title of this discussion be changed? :)

Suggestion: "A long passionate story of how Teksavvy is doing their best to protect it's customers"

i dont mean to lower the level of discussion or anything, but i just got into this. i am under the impression even if there was copyright infringement, we would get warnings/notices from the ISP BEFORE all this court stuff.

is that not what the new copyright laws say? (as well as the limit cap, which Voltage is going FAR over btw.....)

That's not lowering the level of discussion, those are valid questions.

My understanding is there is no legal requirement for notification. TSI got the time to notify everyone affected in exchange for a promise not to oppose Voltage's motion for a court order. In the future, other ISPs might choose to fight such a motion, but if they lose and such an order is issued, those named won't find out until after their privacy has been violated.

i dont mean to lower the level of discussion or anything, but i just got into this. i am under the impression even if there was copyright infringement, we would get warnings/notices from the ISP BEFORE all this court stuff.

is that not what the new copyright laws say? (as well as the limit cap, which Voltage is going FAR over btw.....)

I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.

If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.

Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.

Mind you I don't steal.

In short: While I do not believe for a moment that TSI has failed any legal obligations here, I hope CIPPIC and friends blow Voltage out of the water tomorrow. It would be even better if TSI joined in, but we can't count on that now.

Actually, it's not that simple.

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You do get quite emotional, don't you.

From now on we have to be careful, downloading a picture for your screen saver, a demo, even browsing a webpage without reading the small print may ended up copyright violation.

what looks good about start? is there something in their TOS (»www.start.ca/about/terms) that makes you think this wont happen with them?

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Monday as per their agreement with the court, they are handing it over.

.....Problem is TSI is making it too easy for Voltage to extort their customers.