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StuartMW
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Re: [POLL] Do you use Java; disable it; or uninstall it ?

Yes well they haven't been so concerned in the past. But as you said "the heat is on" this time due to the media attention etc.

FYI »Is Oracle Java 7 Update 10 Going to Improve Security?

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/12/us-usa-java-security-idUSBRE90B0EX20130112

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Java was responsible for 50 percent of all cyber attacks last year in which hackers broke into computers by exploiting software bugs, according to Kaspersky. That was followed by Adobe Reader, which was involved in 28 percent of all incidents. ...

Fascinating... eliminating both Java and Adobe Reader would of itself have effectively eliminated 78% of hacker break-ins last year, by Kaspersky's stats. There's something sobering about that...
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said by StuartMW:

Yes well they haven't been so concerned in the past. But as you said "the heat is on" this time due to the media attention etc.

FYI »Is Oracle Java 7 Update 10 Going to Improve Security?

OTOH, if the pressure gets to high, they could simply discontinue support for Java, or sell the licensing rights to someone else. At one time, selling it might have been relatively easy (Microsoft might have bought it just to kill it), but now...
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Well Microsoft developed .NET after Sun sued them for having their own JVM. Oh the ironing

Maybe someone would buy it. Adobe bought (Flash from) Macromedia. Not sure if that's working out so well for them
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said by Blackbird:

said by Linklist:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/12/us-usa-java-security-idUSBRE90B0EX20130112

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Java was responsible for 50 percent of all cyber attacks last year in which hackers broke into computers by exploiting software bugs, according to Kaspersky. That was followed by Adobe Reader, which was involved in 28 percent of all incidents. ...

Fascinating... eliminating both Java and Adobe Reader would of itself have effectively eliminated 78% of hacker break-ins last year, by Kaspersky's stats. There's something sobering about that...

That is why I always disable the Adobe PDF plug-in in my browsers. My default PDF action is "save as a file". I also disable all scripting and external application launch capabilities in the Adobe PDF reader.
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said by NetFixer:

That is why I always disable the Adobe PDF plug-in in my browsers. My default PDF action is "save as a file".

Yup

»'Better than Adobe' Foxit PDF plugin hit by worse-than-Adobe
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Installed but both browsers require my permission to launch it.

This is what I do as well. There are times when I must use it, but I know that when I do, it's at my own risk.


imtim83
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I don't even have it on my computer.

Never liked it.


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I just uninstalled



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said by vister:

I just uninstalled

Same, been spending most of the day taking it off my computers. It was never enabled but there's no sense taking any chances.
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I use Java and keep it updated all the time.

Doesn't matter, even the newest update is vulnerable.


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Thanks for the thread and especially the poll. It's been interesting watching the ebb and flow of YES and NO response totals... kind of like watching the returns in a close election. The most surprising thing is that I'd never have suspected Java usage to be anywhere near up around 50%... I'd have guessed more down in the 10-15% range, based on my own observations.
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said by Blackbird:

Thanks for the thread and especially the poll. It's been interesting watching the ebb and flow of YES and NO response totals... kind of like watching the returns in a close election. The most surprising thing is that I'd never have suspected Java usage to be anywhere near up around 50%... I'd have guessed more down in the 10-15% range, based on my own observations.

I suspect that many of those who use it, do so for local or intranet applications. Locally stored and run Java applications are no more insecure than any other executable. And FWIW, I have a "not so smart" cell phone (which I am using to make this post), and all of the applications on it are Java based.
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While I'd like to ditch java completely I use Firefox and NoScript. I'd appreciate comments on that.



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said by Just Bob:

While I'd like to ditch java completely I use Firefox and NoScript. I'd appreciate comments on that.

I can see several other posts in this thread mentioning the use of NoScript (although some spell it No Script, and some don't explicitly mentions Firefox, so perhaps that hampered your search). Exactly what kind of comments are you looking for?

Ultimately, you are going to have to decide for yourself if you really need/use Java enough to keep it on your PC(s).
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I understand the basics. NoScript goes beyond java.



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said by Just Bob:

I understand the basics. NoScript goes beyond java.

         
And Java is one of the things that NoScript can optionally block.
         


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I still have java installed because I need it for GlimmerBlocker. However, I don't enable the java webstart stuff and disable java within Safari and Firefox



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said by La Luna:

said by Anonymous:

I use Java and keep it updated all the time.

Doesn't matter, even the newest update is vulnerable.

Oh I know but i also don't click on random links and I use Chrome so it needs permission before it runs.
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Uninstalled months ago on the desktop and laptops. Gone baby, gone.

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