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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to milnoc

Re: Vicious circle

Oh yea, Im sure the CEO and board of directors sit around all day trying to figure out how to steal away $0 of market-share from the torrent industry. LOL

Hate to tell ya bud, but the people who torrent/steal exclusively arent donating any money to Netflix.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

This headline sat around for a half hour before before I decided to shake it up. See, TV isnt the only form of entertainment, this is free and legit to boot.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Citation?

According to a publication of internet research company Sandvine, Netflix is helping to fight piracy. Sandvine researched global internet traffic and noticed that torrent traffic decreases when the traffic generated by Netflix increases.

»www.myce.com/news/netflix-respon···c-64722/

Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

HBO Encourages piracy the longer they delay the deployment of a separate subscription.

If they can do HBO Go outside the US without a cable sub they can certainly do it inside the US. There is no law stating they cannot. It is this protectist bullshit of legacy business models that harms things.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to slckusr

said by slckusr:

Does HBO survive on those 15$ sub fees alone, or are they broadcasters throwing them some additional bones to keep their business afloat? Safeguarding their content could show the latter would be true.

Actually of the $15 one pays for HBO, HBO actually gets about $5. Selling it to me directly they'd actually get $15. HBO also makes money off of DVD and syndication.

Beans

join:2005-07-16
united state
reply to Kearnstd

I concure, If I could make money seperatly and with a cable sub, I take both, more money, mo money. I would definetly sign up for HBO GO if it was a seperate service.


elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to ITALIAN926

I know some of you dodo birds know that HBO and Universal are owned by Comcast and TimeWarner. Now if you think of this as a temporary legal monopoly since our government simply allows this. It's just two buds protecting their turf, and keeping cable artificially relevant.

In the end, I think it is good, because they will just lose as competition takes hold, assuming they don't lobby rules for favoritism, then they deserve to be broken up.

I read some forbes article which compares HBO $15 a month w/ Netflix $15, except that:

1. I don't pay $15, I pay for streaming only which is only $8
2. If I really want a universal movie, then I go off to redbox or stream by paying which is of course what they want.
3. But the more they make me pay 2x (for cable and by the drink), I will simply drop cable and pay by the drink or not at all.
4. It's like they never learned from audio, and they insist repeating the same mistakes. I think they are high off record box office, so they are brazen. Well they should be, until they are not.
5. Just ask your local paper (if you still have one) how that worked out.



Joey1973

@verizon.net
reply to ITALIAN926

Oh, yeah... you da man!


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to ITALIAN926

I want to rent or buy everything legally. However, I have come across quite a bit of content that I can't get legally, so I looking at getting a VPN account to download it over bittorrent anonymously.


TheMG
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Canada
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reply to Camelot One

said by Camelot One:

His point seemed pretty clear to me. He is willing to pay the $15 a month fee for HBO, just not the $60 a month cable subscription just for the ability to pay another $15 for HBO. Sell him HBO directly for $15, and he will buy.

That is an excellent point.

Personally I will NEVER subscribe to a streaming service that also requires me to subscribe to traditional TV (satellite/cable). That completely defeats the purpose of internet streaming in the first place, which is to dump traditional TV in favor of a service that is more portable, flexible, and on-demand.

TechnoGeek

join:2013-01-07

1 recommendation

reply to ITALIAN926

I agree. Your posts are very entertaining. Farce has always been very in.


Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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reply to TheMG

said by TheMG:

said by Camelot One:

His point seemed pretty clear to me. He is willing to pay the $15 a month fee for HBO, just not the $60 a month cable subscription just for the ability to pay another $15 for HBO. Sell him HBO directly for $15, and he will buy.

That is an excellent point.

Personally I will NEVER subscribe to a streaming service that also requires me to subscribe to traditional TV (satellite/cable). That completely defeats the purpose of internet streaming in the first place, which is to dump traditional TV in favor of a service that is more portable, flexible, and on-demand.

The funny thing is for HBO, They would not lose any revenue if people cut the cord and bought HBO Go instead. HBO is already a premium channel that people pay around $15 for on top of their cable bill.
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crypt0

join:2012-12-22
Edmonton, AB
Reviews:
·TELUS
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Bullshit ! Stop breaking the damn law.

You are the bullshiter.

17 U.S.C. § 107
quote:
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

LMAO "RESEARCH" used in the context teaching, classroom, and scholarship?. You are RESEARCHING on whether or not you enjoy the movie?

You Pirates are hysterical, truly.


Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

If you dont want to pay for HBO, if you cant afford it, if you dislike their streaming option, DONT WATCH IT.

Tired of the underlying message of endorsing piracy, on almost every headline.

Yeah, why don't we all just ignore the fact that technology has made the old distribution model obsolete because it's against the law.

If we had it your way on transportation of goods, we'd still be using canals instead of trains.

Something better came along, i'm over it, you should get over it too.

For those whom might not have gotten my canals vs railroads reference, read this and see if you can find the similarities:

»voices.yahoo.com/railroad-vs-can···882.html


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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Yea, you should ignore it because its against the laws, BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL. Just like you have cars that can surpass the speed limit. You want to take a chance and speed, go right ahead.

If the copyright holders want to make their product available via the net, Netflix, Itunes, IPTV providers , etc, Thats their prerogative. Its unlawful, and it should be immoral as well to just TAKE whatever the hell you want.


Kearnstd
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And if the copyright holders do not want to make their stuff available online they deserve to suffer the piracy.

The simple fact is HBO could offer HBO Go without tethering it to an existing cable subscription, They do it overseas already. Lots of people would be willing to pay the mere $15 a month for HBO content, After all if they have cable they would be paying about that extra to get HBO anyway. IF they can do it outside the US there is no reason in any form of logic preventing them from doing it inside the US as well.

If I where an investor I would be asking why they are avoiding that revenue stream.
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Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Yea, you should ignore it because its against the laws, BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL. Just like you have cars that can surpass the speed limit. You want to take a chance and speed, go right ahead.

If the copyright holders want to make their product available via the net, Netflix, Itunes, IPTV providers , etc, Thats their prerogative. Its unlawful, and it should be immoral as well to just TAKE whatever the hell you want.

*yawn*
Are you really using the speed limit as an analogy?
I guarantee you that EVERYONE here has gone over the speed limit more than once, that's just for starters.
Never mind the fact that reckless driving endangers people's lives.

I don't believe you are that dense that you don't get it, but here it is in caps so you don't miss it:

SOMETHING BETTER CAME ALONG.

And the analogy i posted is a damn good one. Because this is simply history repeating itself, and guess what?
Rail roads won in the end.
This is exactly the same thing happening, except this time we're not talking about transportation of goods. But instead information abundance versus scarcity.
And it doesn't matter what you, me, or anyone else thinks, so you might as well accept it. We're going into an era of abundance, and information is just the start.
Expand your moderator at work


seamore
Premium
join:2009-11-02
reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Vicious circle

said by ITALIAN926:

Bullshit ! Stop breaking the damn law. HBO isnt breaking any laws by running their business how they see fit. You cant, and DONT compete with FREE.

"Give us your product for PENNIES or we'll just shoplift it anyway." What kind of crap is that? Seriously.

As i download the most recent Boardwalk Empire


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to ITALIAN926

Netflix doesn't compete with free? Really? Are you just trolling, or......



KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to ITALIAN926

What's immoral and should be unlawful is how they just make the laws say whatever they want.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to seamore

said by seamore:

said by ITALIAN926:

Bullshit ! Stop breaking the damn law. HBO isnt breaking any laws by running their business how they see fit. You cant, and DONT compete with FREE.

"Give us your product for PENNIES or we'll just shoplift it anyway." What kind of crap is that? Seriously.

As i download the most recent Boardwalk Empire

May I ask why you feel you are entitled to that episode that others PAY for? Are you special or something? Are you above rules?


DWraith

@comcast.net
reply to ITALIAN926

For most it isn't about the money. It is about being able to actually watch what you are paying for.


Androidian

join:2012-12-14
Purcellville, VA
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reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

"Give us your product for PENNIES or we'll just shoplift it anyway." What kind of crap is that? Seriously.

While I don't necessarily condone it, pirating an HBO show is not something tantamount to shoplifting. In shoplifting, one steals a physical product - which there are finite quantities of - which economically hurts the store owner who purchased the product for resale.

Those who pirate HBO shows (I'm not one of them, BTW) do little to no harm to HBO, as HBO's final product isn't affected... besides most of the folks who pirate this stuff likely wouldn't have bothered purchasing it in the first place (thus no profit would have been made from them).

Now, this isn't justification for pirating products in the slightest... Just my $0.02 on where the shoplifting analogy that you offered breaks down.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
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It doesnt break down, because when someone is pirating something, they are less inclined to subscribe to that channel, or buy an album, etc. If everyone and their mother used torrents, dont you think HBO would go out of business?

The shoplifting analogy is fine.

It costs money to produce this media. I would argue its no different than having to pay for water or electricity. Would you bypass your water or electric meter? I guess that wouldnt be classified as stealing either, right? What about going into a cable tap and hooking up coax into your house? Not stealing either right? Its just information.

Theres no justification in breaking these laws. People can cherry-coat them all they want, but in the end, its still illegal.



seamore
Premium
join:2009-11-02
reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

said by seamore:

said by ITALIAN926:

Bullshit ! Stop breaking the damn law. HBO isnt breaking any laws by running their business how they see fit. You cant, and DONT compete with FREE.

"Give us your product for PENNIES or we'll just shoplift it anyway." What kind of crap is that? Seriously.

As i download the most recent Boardwalk Empire

May I ask why you feel you are entitled to that episode that others PAY for? Are you special or something? Are you above rules?

Im special.
Besides, it's not going to put them out of business.
sorry that you dont like hearing this.


torreny69

@rr.com
reply to KrK

Since I got Netflix I have pretty much stopped torrenting tv shows



Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

It doesnt break down, because when someone is pirating something, they are less inclined to subscribe to that channel, or buy an album, etc. If everyone and their mother used torrents, dont you think HBO would go out of business?

The shoplifting analogy is fine.

It costs money to produce this media. I would argue its no different than having to pay for water or electricity. Would you bypass your water or electric meter? I guess that wouldnt be classified as stealing either, right? What about going into a cable tap and hooking up coax into your house? Not stealing either right? Its just information.

Theres no justification in breaking these laws. People can cherry-coat them all they want, but in the end, its still illegal.

I am not going to argue that piracy is right, or legal, or anything of the sort. But I do find major flaw in your argument. In every example you listed, there is product loss. Whether it be in the form of using electricity or water, there is a physical product that has to be produced PER USE, and is thus used PER USE. If someone shoplifts a CD, that CD is no longer available for purchase. And while not as severe, even in the case of cable theft, the extra tap degrades the signal to a degree, requiring more expense to deliver the product.

There is no such product harm or loss when it comes to someone downloading a TV show. No product is used, or made unavailable for sale to someone else. No additional cost is incurred by the creator if a copy is downloaded. Is it a lost sale? Maybe. But only if the downloader WOULD have paid for the TV show if that was the only way to watch it.

Not that any of that matters to THIS thread, since the issue at hand is HBO refusing to sell a product to those who want to buy it, thus encouraging them to obtain it as a download.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

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One of my examples is stealing cable TV, how is that any different AT ALL from piracy?
Tapping into a cable tap DOES NOT degrade any signals. There is a specific Db loss outve that connection whether theres a hookup or not.