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88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

That's not the point. If I sneak into an empty theater to see a movie I had no intention on paying for anyway am I costing the theater anything? Nope. Is it right to do? Nope. Why should my lack of wanting to pay still entitle me to see the movie? Same thing with downloading. If you are supposed to pay and you don't want to then you don't get to see the content, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it's costing the profit or not.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink.

My point was I'm not technically taking anything away from the ppl who made the film if I download it and watch something I never planned on paying for in the 1st place... If I like it I may even go out and buy the Blu-ray or tell a friend about it which may make another sale... Piracy isn't all about "stealing". If it wasn't for tape trading in the 80s Metallica would never of blown up as big as they did... Which is why fans backlashed at the whole napster thing.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298
What's the point of making something if no one goes to see it... If someone makes a film and no ones willing to pay to see it, was it really worth making? Film is an art to be enjoyed... Some pieces of Art you want to own to keep for yourself and others you just admire and enjoy. Did the person who just admired it from afar just "steal" that art because they didn't pay to look at it? Or did the artist do what he intended and be seen by as many people as possible.

As an ex film maker I like to think I made movies for the art and not the paycheck.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Trencher
You have got to be kidding. Is this really how pirates think and justify what they do. Absolutely hysterical.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
Digital socialism... Isn't it grand!?

Do you work in the industry or do you just like the smell of your own farts?

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
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said by Trencher:

Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.

QFT!

I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:

Dear RIAA: Pirates Buy More. Full Stop. Deal With It.

Another Day, Another Study That Says 'Pirates' Are The Best Customers... This Time From HADOPI

Music pirates spend more on music than their legal, law-abiding brethren

Go Figure: UK movie pirates spend more at the box office than non-pirates

Interesting how that works out
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serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
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Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by ITALIAN926:

quote:
QFT!

I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:

The whole "pirates spend more" BS is hillarious. I have like 2000 DVD's and CD's in my collections, if I was like YOU, Id have a tiny percentage of them, if any at all. If the RIAA and MPAA thew in the towel, and all copyright laws were reversed, you make it sound as if this would increase their profits ! lol omg.

I know for the sake of morals, when pirates download an entire Season of Dexter, and like it, they then go out and buy the real thing, not burn their own copy, right? LOL. Not that "liking it" has anything in the world to do with it.

The most Righteous breed of humans in this world are Copyright Infringers, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm not sure where you're getting these conclusions from. I don't watch TV and any movies I want to see(very rarely, hollywood = narcissistic garbage) I go see in theaters, just a couple times a year. My 300Mbps FIOS connection is 99% full 24/7/365, 100% legally so even if I had a reason to download something illegally I wouldn't have enough bandwidth left over LOL.

Try again?

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Anon
Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..

Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money!

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
said by Trencher:

Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..

Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money!

I always say that technology will continue to progress dragging those types kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not...they still have to right to complain however LOL


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Trencher
Actually I tried Netflix, I dropped it after a month because their HD content sucked, and their selection was very limited overall. From what I heard that was the fault of Starz, I dont know how their HD is now, and I dont care to find out. Oh, and Netflix doesnt have all the movies I own.

Have I voiced any opposition to Netflix? Keep to the subject of piracy.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Trencher
said by Trencher:

Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink.

My analogy CLEARLY stated the theater wasn't full. An apparently you justified me breaking the law.
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Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

The Avengers was one of the most pirated movies last year and yet is the 3rd most successful film of all time. Hollywood had another record year last year actually.

Game of Thrones is one of the most pirated TV shows last year. It's also one of the highest rated TV shows on cable.

Radiohead is one of the most successful bands of the last 20 years and yet they released their last album for free online and only made it optional to pay whatever you wanted. They made a ton of money off of it and sold out their concerts.

Times are changing.. Unfortunately we have to drag the entertainment industry kicking and screaming into the 21st century as the consumers of the future are no longer willing to be ripped off by the Producers of movies, music and TV. There was a time all we could do is sit back and take it up the butt.. But we no longer have to. HBO creating HBO Go is proof they're slowly moving the way we want them to and Netflix proved that if you offer content at a reasonable price people will pay (I subscribe). If you want to continue paying what you pay for Blu-rays and CD's then all the power to you, just don't bitch at me when I don't.
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88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Trencher

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

said by Trencher:

The Avengers was one of the most pirated movies last year and yet is the 3rd most successful film of all time. Hollywood had another record year last year actually.

Game of Thrones is one of the most pirated TV shows last year. It's also one of the highest rated TV shows on cable.

Radiohead is one of the most successful bands of the last 20 years and yet they released their last album for free online and only made it optional to pay whatever you wanted. They made a ton of money off of it and sold out their concerts.

Times are changing.. Unfortunately we have to drag the entertainment industry kicking and screaming into the 21st century as the consumers of the future are no longer willing to be ripped off by the Producers of movies, music and TV. There was a time all we could do is sit back and take it up the butt.. But we no longer have to. HBO creating HBO Go is proof they're slowly moving the way we want them to and Netflix proved that if you offer content at a reasonable price people will pay (I subscribe). If you want to continue paying what you pay for Blu-rays and CD's then all the power to you, just don't bitch at me when I don't.

I'm pretty sure that Wal-Mart loses more money from employee theft than any other company in the US and yet is still one of the most successful companies. Therefor using your logic it's ok for employees to steal.
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Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

But that would require me to be stealing.. I'm not stealing.. I'm copying. If those employees went home and made their own toothbrush that looked and worked like Walmarts then we'd be in the same ballpark.