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<description><![CDATA[NormanS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's. <br> </p></div> So how much profit erosion am I causing by not paying for cable/satellite service? And do beware of your assumptions.<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : But that would require me to be stealing.. I'm not stealing.. I'm copying. If those employees went home and made their own toothbrush that looked and worked like Walmarts then we'd be in the same ballpark.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1438797" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1438797');">Trencher</a>:</said><p>The Avengers was one of the most pirated movies last year and yet is the 3rd most successful film of all time. Hollywood had another record year last year actually. <br><br>Game of Thrones is one of the most pirated TV shows last year. It's also one of the highest rated TV shows on cable. <br><br>Radiohead is one of the most successful bands of the last 20 years and yet they released their last album for free online and only made it optional to pay whatever you wanted. They made a ton of money off of it and sold out their concerts.<br><br>Times are changing.. Unfortunately we have to drag the entertainment industry kicking and screaming into the 21st century as the consumers of the future are no longer willing to be ripped off by the Producers of movies, music and TV. There was a time all we could do is sit back and take it up the butt.. But we no longer have to. HBO creating HBO Go is proof they're slowly moving the way we want them to and Netflix proved that if you offer content at a reasonable price people will pay (I subscribe). If you want to continue paying what you pay for Blu-rays and CD's then all the power to you, just don't bitch at me when I don't. <br> </p></div>I'm pretty sure that Wal-Mart loses more money from employee theft than any other company in the US and yet is still one of the most successful companies. Therefor using your logic it's ok for employees to steal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : The Avengers was one of the most pirated movies last year and yet is the 3rd most successful film of all time. Hollywood had another record year last year actually. <br><br>Game of Thrones is one of the most pirated TV shows last year. It's also one of the highest rated TV shows on cable. <br><br>Radiohead is one of the most successful bands of the last 20 years and yet they released their last album for free online and only made it optional to pay whatever you wanted. They made a ton of money off of it and sold out their concerts.<br><br>Times are changing.. Unfortunately we have to drag the entertainment industry kicking and screaming into the 21st century as the consumers of the future are no longer willing to be ripped off by the Producers of movies, music and TV. There was a time all we could do is sit back and take it up the butt.. But we no longer have to. HBO creating HBO Go is proof they're slowly moving the way we want them to and Netflix proved that if you offer content at a reasonable price people will pay (I subscribe). If you want to continue paying what you pay for Blu-rays and CD's then all the power to you, just don't bitch at me when I don't. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1438797" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1438797');">Trencher</a>:</said><p>Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink. </p></div>My analogy CLEARLY stated the theater wasn't full. An apparently you justified me breaking the law.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : Actually I tried Netflix, I dropped it after a month because their HD content sucked, and their selection was very limited overall. From what I heard that was the fault of Starz, I dont know how their HD is now, and I dont care to find out. Oh, and Netflix doesnt have all the movies I own.<br><br>Have I voiced any opposition to Netflix? Keep to the subject of piracy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1438797" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1438797');">Trencher</a>:</said><p>Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..<br><br>Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money! <br> </p></div>I always say that technology will continue to progress dragging those types kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not...they still have to right to complain however LOL ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..<br><br>Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money! ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>     <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>QFT!<br><br>I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The whole "pirates spend more" BS is hillarious. I have like 2000 DVD's and CD's in my collections, if I was like YOU, Id have a tiny percentage of them, if any at all. If the RIAA and MPAA thew in the towel, and all copyright laws were reversed, you make it sound as if this would increase their profits ! lol omg. <br><br>I know for the sake of morals, when pirates download an entire Season of Dexter, and like it, they then go out and buy the real thing, not burn their own copy, right? LOL. Not that "liking it" has anything in the world to do with it.<br><br>The most Righteous breed of humans in this world are Copyright Infringers, thanks for clearing that up.<br> </p></div>I'm not sure where you're getting these conclusions from. I don't watch TV and any movies I want to see(very rarely, hollywood = narcissistic garbage) I go see in theaters, just a couple times a year. My 300Mbps FIOS connection is 99% full 24/7/365, 100% legally so even if I had a reason to download something illegally I wouldn't have enough bandwidth left over LOL. <br><br>Try again?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted :    <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>You lose all credibility when you refuse to back your arguments.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>What the hell are you talking about? United States Laws back my arguments. Stop breaking the law and we wont be having this discussion. There is nothing special about YOU that makes YOU exempt from rules the rest of us follow. <br>Understand now?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : Its absolutely related, and if you cant correlate the two scenarios , YOU are the idiot.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gruntlord6 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught.<br> </p></div>None of that was related to the discussion. You are an idiot]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gruntlord6 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>He's not<br> </p></div>You lose all credibility when you refuse to back your arguments.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1438797" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1438797');">Trencher</a>:</said><p>Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't. <br> </p></div>QFT!<br><br>I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:<br><br><A HREF="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/00590921141/dear-riaa-pirates-buy-more-full-stop-deal-with-it.shtml" ><i>Dear RIAA: Pirates Buy More. Full Stop. Deal With It.</i></A><br><br><A HREF="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110727/16233815292/another-day-another-study-that-says-pirates-are-best-customers-this-time-hadopi.shtml" ><i>Another Day, Another Study That Says 'Pirates' Are The Best Customers... This Time From HADOPI</i></A><br><br><A HREF="http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2009/11/02/music-pirates-spend-more-on-music-than-their-legal-law-abiding" ><i>Music pirates spend more on music than their legal, law-abiding brethren</i></A><br><br><A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/news/26912/go_figure_uk_movie_pirates_spend_more_at_the_box_office_than_non_pirates/index.html" ><i>Go Figure: UK movie pirates spend more at the box office than non-pirates</i></A><br><br>Interesting how that works out ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : Digital socialism... Isn't it grand!? <br><br>Do you work in the industry or do you just like the smell of your own farts?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : You have got to be kidding. Is this really how pirates think and justify what they do. Absolutely hysterical.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : What's the point of making something if no one goes to see it... If someone makes a film and no ones willing to pay to see it, was it really worth making? Film is an art to be enjoyed... Some pieces of Art you want to own to keep for yourself and others you just admire and enjoy. Did the person who just admired it from afar just "steal" that art because they didn't pay to look at it? Or did the artist do what he intended and be seen by as many people as possible. <br><br>As an ex film maker I like to think I made movies for the art and not the paycheck.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink. <br><br>My point was I'm not technically taking anything away from the ppl who made the film if I download it and watch something I never planned on paying for in the 1st place... If I like it I may even go out and buy the Blu-ray or tell a friend about it which may make another sale... Piracy isn't all about "stealing". If it wasn't for tape trading in the 80s Metallica would never of blown up as big as they did... Which is why fans backlashed at the whole napster thing. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : That's not the point. If I sneak into an empty theater to see a movie I had no intention on paying for anyway am I costing the theater anything? Nope. Is it right to do? Nope. Why should my lack of wanting to pay still entitle me to see the movie? Same thing with downloading. If you are supposed to pay and you don't want to then you don't get to see the content, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it's costing the profit or not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1557904" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1557904');">Xioden</a>:</said><p>Sounds to me like they need to upgrade their infrastructure then if it often isn't able to actually provide full service to all subscribers in that area.<br> </p></div>What do you call the rollout of GPON then ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>As the internet world is supplied with bigger pipes, larger file sizes for legit and stolen video will get larger. This includes the video offerings for the MSO's as well to eventually provide 1080p and beyond (for 4k , 8k HDTV's) via IPTV. So I have no idea what kind of file sizes are traded on torrents and such, but I highly doubt its a fully uncompressed Blu-Ray movie. <br><br>60-100 Terabytes? WTF? lol<br><br>My DVR has a 1 TB hard drive with 65 hours of 1080i HD video , and is HALF full. 60-100 TB's? I just cant comprehend.<br> </p></div>I get that reaction a lot :) But I wouldn't be paying $220/month if I wasn't going to use it to its potential. It would be like a soccer mom buying a Ferrari for weekend grocery shopping LOL<br><br>I believe 4K resolution would take roughly 20-25Mbps, not much relatively speaking if you consider Verizon's FIOS offerings. Is there any premium TV or movie channel that even streams at true 1080p/24fps? Most are 720p60 or 1080i because the higher quality 1080p/24 stream is seen as inefficient use of limited customer bandwidth.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>Really? And all of a sudden file size has limit. Interesting. XPON wouldnt be limited to 300 Mbps anyway. <br><br>Dont you think that stolen files get larger as pipes grow? <br> </p></div>I am not sure I understand what you mean by file size(?)<br><br>With XGPON(or 10G-PON) at the current Quantum speed plan levels released just a few months ago, if all 32 users subscribed to the 300Mbps plan it would still leave <i>640Mbps</i> of unallocated download bandwidth. At 64 users, it would allocate 160Mbps per user if split equally.<br><br>However, you are right that there probably will be higher speed plans if XGPON is implemented. <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-CEO-Hints-at-1-Gbps-FiOS-122681?nocomment=1" >Verizon's CEO just recently stated a possible 1Gbps</A> in the works for the future. On my 300Mbps plan, I currently use 60-100 Terabytes per month and would greatly benefit from a 1Gbps line. Thankfully all my use is 100% legal so this anti-piracy program will not affect me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : If I download a movie that I had no intention of watching if I hadn't downloaded it... was it really a lost sale?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : Did he raise his internet speed? I pirate all the time.. but I also spend about $3000 a year on video games and movies... I go to the movie theater often... I also have a TV provider...  but as I say.. I pirate all the time... ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trencher posted : *SUPER MEGA LIKE* lol... You hit the nail on the head!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : Really? And all of a sudden file size has limit. Interesting. XPON wouldnt be limited to 300 Mbps anyway. <br><br>Dont you think that stolen files get larger as pipes grow? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>Nah, I dont follow tech news at all. I used an example of BPON to use actual numbers , the concept applies to ANY architecture, whether its GPON, XPON, DSL or cable.<br> </p></div>Sorry, but XGPON would NOT be saturated as all 32 users wouldn't be able to max out even if they all subscribed to the 300mb plan and cranked it 100% simultaneously.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted :   <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument.<br><br>Burden of proof is on you. Try again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>WTF are you talking about? Pirating has caused the cable industry to lose about $50 a month (for basic) due to my UNCLE, and his lack of morals. What kind of evidence would you like, for me to turn him in and get a police report? ONE MAN out of MILLIONS COPYRIGHT INFRINGERS having an impact on the MSO's and entertainment industry. Have you even an ounce of common sense? Even if he was the ONLY ONE DOING IT, ITS STILL EVIDENCE OF LOST REVENUE. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : Nah, I dont follow tech news at all. I used an example of BPON to use actual numbers , the concept applies to ANY architecture, whether its GPON, XPON, DSL or cable.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/201506" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=201506');">Skippy25</a>:</said><p>So what you are implying is that people that pirate do so to avoid not paying to watch something. Can you provide proof that those same people would pay to watch the same stuff if it were 100% impossible to get through other means thus making it erode their TV revenues?</p></div>So because one refuses to pay for something they are entitled to it anyways? It doesn't matter if no one is losing a dime. If you are supposed to pay for something and you don't want to then you are not entitled to it. If I don't want to pay $8 to see a movie that does not give me a right to sneak into the theater.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument. <br><br>Burden of proof is on you. Try again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Xioden posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>Wrong, not only does piracy cause lost TV revenue for Verizon, but those that STEAL obscene amounts of daily data puts them at risk for oversubscription of their CO PON cards, causing slowdowns for everyone. <br><br>BPON ~622 Mbps shared by 32 pirates. If all had a 50Mbps plan, well, you do the math. <br> </p></div>Sounds to me like they need to upgrade their infrastructure then if it often isn't able to actually provide full service to all subscribers in that area.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>In that BPON circumstance, pirates would only have to be using 20Mbps simultaneously for saturation. What to do when pirates are streaming content to multiple TV's in the house? What to do when theyre DL'ing/streaming blu-ray quality bit-rates? Cmon. <br><br>Pirates are bad for not only the entertainment industry, but the MSO's as well. "Pirates spend more money on media.. bla bla bla" Yea right. They have so much money they feel the need to STEAL , yea, i said it. :)<br> </p></div>Terrible example is terrible.<br><br>does streaming legal services at the same rate somehow make the saturation go away?  Of course it doesnt.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>In that BPON circumstance, pirates would only have to be using 20Mbps simultaneously for saturation. What to do when pirates are streaming content to multiple TV's in the house? What to do when theyre DL'ing/streaming blu-ray quality bit-rates? Cmon. <br><br>Pirates are bad for not only the entertainment industry, but the MSO's as well. "Pirates spend more money on media.. bla bla bla" Yea right. They have so much money they feel the need to STEAL , yea, i said it. :)<br> </p></div>Not sure if you follow FIOS closely but BPON is yesterday's news. There are no new BPON installations since 2009-2010 and current BPON networks are continuously being upgraded if capacity on BPON is reaching its limit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1489883" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1489883');">The Limit</a>:</said><p>Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna.<br> </p></div>Hope you like anecdotes because I smell one coming ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cdru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/859676" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=859676');">ITALIAN926</a>:</said><p>It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.</p></div>But if the pirate pays for a $200 broadband package instead of a $50 broadband package and a $100 TV package, is the MSO losing money or profiting on the pirate?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's. <br><br>FURTHERMORE, Piracy leads to increased carriage fees in which the MSO's have to pay the stations ! Which leads to even more lost customers, and lost revenue.<br><br>now keep on skippin' ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Skippy25 posted : And my aunts friend has a sister who knows someone that lives down the street that pirates everything under the sun and never had and never will have a TV subscription.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ITALIAN926 posted : In that BPON circumstance, pirates would only have to be using 20Mbps simultaneously for saturation. What to do when pirates are streaming content to multiple TV's in the house? What to do when theyre DL'ing/streaming blu-ray quality bit-rates? Cmon. <br><br>Pirates are bad for not only the entertainment industry, but the MSO's as well. "Pirates spend more money on media.. bla bla bla" Yea right. They have so much money they feel the need to STEAL , yea, i said it. :)]]></description>
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