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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : That doesn't square with what was written by Ellen Duranceau, MIT Program<br>Manager of Scholarly Publishing and Licensing<br><br>I'm certain any question about that policy will be clarified by MIT's internal investigation.<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MsTerra posted : That's what his lawyers were alleging. It doesn't quite square with my experience as an employee of the Institute. The claim of "unfettered use" is just wrong. We have fewer fetters than most places, but there are definitely some fetters - and more of them every time someone abuses the network like this.<br><small>--<br>"Strive to change the world in such a way that there's no further need to be a dissident." Lawrence Ferlinghetti<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://tech.mit.edu/V132/N46/swartz/swartz-suppress1.pdf" >tech.mit.edu/V132/N46/swartz/swa&middot;&middot;&middot;ess1.pdf</A><br><blockquote>UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT<br>DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS<br>________________________<br>)<br>UNITED STATES ))<br>v. ) No. 11-10260-NMG<br>)<br>AARON SWARTZ )<br>________________________)<br>MOTION TO SUPPRESS ALL FRUITS OF INTERCEPTIONS AND DISCLOSURES OF<br>ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AND OTHER INFORMATION BY MIT<br>PERSONNEL IN VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AND THE STORED<br>COMMUNICATIONS ACT AND INCORPORATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW<br>(MOTION TO SUPPRESS NO. 1)</blockquote><br><br><blockquote>Exhibit 4. Unlike other institutions which require passwords to access their servers and require<br>additional layers of authentication to access digital libraries such as JSTOR, MIT required neither a password, a formal affiliation with the school, or any form of identification for any visitor to<br>become an authorized guest enjoying access to the MIT electronic communication service which was<br>the equal of that afforded to MIT students and professors.<br>Swartz was validly signed on to the MIT network as a guest, as the MIT guest policy<br>permitted him to be, as verified by an October 14, 2010, email from Ellen Duranceau, MIT Program<br>Manager of Scholarly Publishing and Licensing, to Brian Larsen at JSTOR, informing him that<br>&#147;[o]ur investigations here point to the same guest that was involved in the 9/27 incident. We don&#146;t<br>have enough information to follow the trail completely, but the signs suggest that the same guest<br>user was responsible for this latest activity. . . . all of this excessive use was caused by a guest visitor<br>at MIT,&#148; Exhibit 5 (emphasis added), and then by an October 18, 2010, email from Ms. Duranceau<br>to Tim McGovern, MIT Manager of Network Security & Support Services:<blockquote>Tim and Mike:<br>Would it be accurate for me to answer [JSTOR&#146;s] query this way:<br>&#147;We offer guests access to the MIT network, and this practice will continue. However, once<br>we [in the future] institute our additional authorization layer for JSTOR, this route will be<br>closed to guests. So we will have closed the pathway used.&#148;<br>* * * *<br>Mike, I will be asking JSTOR about your mod_rewrite idea once I check in with Rich<br>Wenger in the Libraries and once JSTOR has shifted more clearly into implementing the new<br>method rather than still working on resolving the excessive use issue.</blockquote></blockquote><br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MsTerra posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><p>Aaron Swartz Case 'Snowballed Out Of MIT's Hands,' Source Says <br><br>....Privately, several MIT officials expressed concerns that prosecutors were "overreaching" by charging Swartz with federal crimes that carried a sentence of up to 35 years in prison, according to a MIT employee familiar with the investigation.<br><br>But by then, it was too late. "By the time this thing snowballed out of MIT's hands, it was gone," said the employee, who asked not to be named because he still works at the university. "When the federal government chooses to prosecute, you don&#8217;t get to say no."<br><br>....MIT employees also captured network traffic from Swartz's laptop and turned that data over to the Secret Service without requiring a warrant or subpoena. MIT disclosed that data to law enforcement with permission from the university's general counsel&#8217;s office, Swartz's attorney wrote in an October court filing. <br><br>....Some say the university could have handled Swartz's case internally. "The lesson learned is MIT needs a clear policy on when to talk to outside law enforcement because the case became a fiasco," the MIT source said. "Once federal prosecutors were on the case, there was no going back."<br></p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/aaron-swartz-mit_n_2480627.html" >www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/1&middot;&middot;&middot;627.html</A><br> </p></div>I wonder how MIT was supposed to have handled the case internally when Swartz wasn't officially affiliated with MIT.<br><br>Also, this<br><div class="bquote"><p><blockquote>At the time of his alleged offenses, Swartz was a fellow at Harvard University, not a student at MIT, but his lawyers argued that <b>MIT's Internet policy allowed unfettered use of its network. Unlike other universities, MIT did not require a password or any affiliation with the school to access servers and digital libraries</b>, Swartz's lawyers said in court filings.</blockquote></p></div>is bullshit. Like other universities, MIT has publicly-accessible content available, and other content that requires authorization. At the time this happened, access to JSTOR required authentication via valid MIT certificates.<br><small>--<br>"Strive to change the world in such a way that there's no further need to be a dissident." Lawrence Ferlinghetti<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : The amendment is short and simply. You can find the rough draft here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lofgren.house.gov/images/stories/pdf/draft%20lofgren%20bill%20to%20exclude%20terms%20of%20service%20violations%20from%20cfaa%20%20wre%20fraud%20011513.pdf" >www.lofgren.house.gov/images/sto&middot;&middot;&middot;1513.pdf</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">Linklist</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/185348" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=185348');">Just Bob</a>:</said><p> He was facing 35 years for a TOS violation.<br><br> </p></div>No he wasn't. He had a deal on the table for 6 months. All the press reports about long prison sentences were overblown.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://betabeat.com/2013/01/tom-dolan-defends-carmen-ortiz-aaron-swartz-twitter/" >betabeat.com/2013/01/tom-dolan-d&middot;&middot;&middot;twitter/</A><br> </p></div>Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren is introducing an amendment to CFAA to prevent this from happening again. She's calling it Aaron's Law.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/16njr9/im_rep_zoe_lofgren_im_introducing_aarons_law_to/c7xmd94" >www.reddit.com/r/technology/comm&middot;&middot;&middot;/c7xmd94</A><br><blockquote>As we mourn Aaron Swartz&#146;s tragic death, many of us are deeply troubled as we learn more about the government&#146;s actions against him. His family&#146;s statement about this speaks volumes about the inappropriate efforts undertaken by the U.S. government. There&#146;s no way to reverse the tragedy of Aaron&#146;s death, but we can work to prevent a repeat of the abuses of power he experienced.<br><br>We should prevent what happened to Aaron from happening to other Internet users. The government was able to bring such disproportionate charges against Aaron because of the broad scope of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) and the wire fraud statute. It looks like the government used the vague wording of those laws to claim that violating an online service&#146;s user agreement or terms of service is a violation of the CFAA and the wire fraud statute.<br><br>Using the law in this way could criminalize many everyday activities and allow for outlandishly severe penalties. </blockquote><br><br>More at the link.<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : Has it come to your attention that Aaron Swartz isn't the first young man this prosecutor has driven to suicide?  Has it come to you attention that Aaron burned through the money from the reddit sale defending himself and was financially ruined?<br><br>As to your description of the plea bargain, you fail to mention that he would have been required to plead guilty to 13 felonies. How would you know the total content of the plea offer? Wasn't there something about a $1,000,000 fine and restitution? How would 13 felony convictions affect his life? <br><br>The US Attorney's office has refused to comment "out of respect for the family." Isn't it strange that you're using the same words used by the husband of the same US Attorney, who apparently doesn't share his wife's "respect for the family?"<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : <div class="bquote"><p>Aaron Swartz Case 'Snowballed Out Of MIT's Hands,' Source Says <br><br>....Privately, several MIT officials expressed concerns that prosecutors were "overreaching" by charging Swartz with federal crimes that carried a sentence of up to 35 years in prison, according to a MIT employee familiar with the investigation.<br><br>But by then, it was too late. "By the time this thing snowballed out of MIT's hands, it was gone," said the employee, who asked not to be named because he still works at the university. "When the federal government chooses to prosecute, you don&#8217;t get to say no."<br><br>....MIT employees also captured network traffic from Swartz's laptop and turned that data over to the Secret Service without requiring a warrant or subpoena. MIT disclosed that data to law enforcement with permission from the university's general counsel&#8217;s office, Swartz's attorney wrote in an October court filing. <br><br>....Some say the university could have handled Swartz's case internally. "The lesson learned is MIT needs a clear policy on when to talk to outside law enforcement because the case became a fiasco," the MIT source said. "Once federal prosecutors were on the case, there was no going back."<br></p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/aaron-swartz-mit_n_2480627.html" >www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/1&middot;&middot;&middot;627.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Linklist posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/185348" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=185348');">Just Bob</a>:</said><p> He was facing 35 years for a TOS violation.<br><br> </p></div>No he wasn't. He had a deal on the table for 6 months. All the press reports about long prison sentences were overblown.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://betabeat.com/2013/01/tom-dolan-defends-carmen-ortiz-aaron-swartz-twitter/" >betabeat.com/2013/01/tom-dolan-d&middot;&middot;&middot;twitter/</A><br><small>--<br>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the  public treasury.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scelli posted : I'm a member and financial supporter of the <b>American Foundation for Suicide Prevention</b> as well as the <b>American Association of Suicidology</b> and have numerous books on the subject in my own personal library. <br><br>Unfortunately, I'm also a member of a club nobody wants to join: The suicide survivor club. That <b>does not mean</b> I attempted suicide and survived, but instead means I've had an individual in my life who did indeed kill themselves. As a direct result of such a heartbreaking event, I (along with many, many others similarly affected) are left trying to pick up the pieces years and sometimes decades later. In my particular case, the needless death was a beautiful and compassionate 26-year old nurse in May of 1975, almost 38 years ago. This may sound trite, but there isn't a day I don't think of her. Back then, mental health issues were almost always swept underneath the carpet as an embarrassment and so was stigma of death by suicide. I was 7,000 miles away in the service when this tragedy occurred, but can personally vouch for the fact that after she took a fatal overdose of the prescription drugs <b>Tofranil and Doriden</b> (the first an antidepressant and the second a sleeping aid not even approved by the FDA any more) and was found sprawled across her bed hours later, my life was never the same. In fact my life was almost destroyed. It also would take decades before I could actually verify the real manner of her death as the stigma of a daughter committing suicide was simply too much for the family to go public with.<br><br>However: She made the conscious decision to do it, as much as it genuinely hurts me to admit that. Sometimes the pain of staying around is far greater then the pain of leaving, if you understand what is meant by that. I didn't know anything about Aaron Swartz and no matter what the reason why he tragically did what he did, the plain hard fact is that Aaron himself ended his own life. While there most certainly may have been mitigating circumstances involved, it still doesn't negate the fact he and he alone made the final decision. <br><small>--<br><b>The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!</b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : I thought I might only post a few quotes since some people will discount the message based on the source. Please read with an open mind.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/14/1178832/-Anonymous-hacks-MIT-tribute-to-Aaron-Swartz" >www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/1&middot;&middot;&middot;n-Swartz</A><br><blockquote>Anonymous hacks MIT- tribute to Aaron Swartz~UPDATE~</blockquote><br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/766601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=766601');">AVD</a>:</said><p>no, this is how the law works.<br> </p></div>Yes. It does and that's the problem.<br><br>If he had robbed a bank armed with a gun, he would get 20 years. He would have had to fire the gun to get 25 years. He was facing 35 years for a TOS violation.<br><br>We have a body of law now that fails to discriminate between political activism and terrorism.<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21011663" >www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21011663</A><br><blockquote>However, in a blog post, Orin Kerr, a professor of law at the George Washington University Law School, wrote the actions of the prosecutors had been "based on a fair reading of the law".<br><br>"None of the charges involved aggressive readings of the law or any apparent prosecutorial overreach," he said.<br><br>"All of the charges were based on established case law."<br></blockquote><br><br>Some people apparently fail to realize there's a problem illustrated by that statement.<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[siljaline posted : <ahref="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/01/swartz-dismissed/>Prosecutor Dismisses Charges Against Aaron Swartz</a><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Monday morning the government filed one last motion in United States of America v. Aaron Swartz.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>&#147;Pursuant to FRCP [Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure] 48(a), the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, Carmen M. Ortiz, hereby dismisses the case presently pending against Defendant Aaron Swartz. In support of this dismissal, the government states that Mr. Swartz died on January 11, 2013.&#148;</p></div> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DownTheShore posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21011663" >www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21011663</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>The president of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) has asked for an internal investigation into its role in Aaron Swartz's prosecution.</p></div><div class="bquote"><p>Academics have since taken to Twitter to release their research free in tribute to Mr Swartz, using the hashtag "PDFtribute".</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://pdftribute.net/" >pdftribute.net/</A><br><small>--<br><i>Patriotism is not waving a flag, it is living the ideals<br><br>I want to retire to the Isle of Sodor and ride the trains.<br><br></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ashrc4 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/356416" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=356416');">Link Logger</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1618925" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1618925');">ashrc4</a>:</said><p>Is it fair that an unsuccessful outgoing CEO gets a 10 million handshake whilst and leader in research only gets profits by tying up copyright on his findings. The brain drain saga continues.<br> </p></div>Fair is a fairy tale,.........<br> </p></div>Fairer is a reality, fair is often a compromise for fairer..... which means the same......what?.......my last EMU told me that<br><small>--<br>Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Dying to defend one's small piece of suburb...Give me something global...STAT!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/185348" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=185348');">Just Bob</a>:</said><p>Once upon a time long ago and far away, universities published the scientific journals. We outgrew that system and the system didn't really work all that well anyhow as the number of journals exploded. What we have now is a continuing privatization, commercialization and monetization of knowledge and the universities themselves.</p></div>Simply because the public doesn't want to pay for it, so Universities increasing turn to corporations for funding.  Research has been this way pretty much forever.  You might have a brilliant idea but who is going to fund your research into that idea?  How do you get 'public' money to do your research or is that even possible?  Things like &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.kickstarter.com/" >www.kickstarter.com/</A> are certainly interesting as its a way to fund/build a product/project/etc and have the public fund it and somehow reward those who helped make it possible, but even then its limited as to how much funding can be raised and most kickstarted projects end up not making it.<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/185348" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=185348');">Just Bob</a>:</said><p>Those who are connected to universities or have access to major libraries that subscribe to JSTOR have free and easy access. Others can only gain access at great expense. The number of public libraries subscribing to JSTOR has decreased as the cost has increased.<br></p></div>Again I would ask why do researchers subscribe to it at the price they charge, because it provides value for the money.  Why do they submit papers to it, because that is where their peers look for qualified papers.  Simply it works for their industry, so it continues to be the system of choice.<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/185348" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=185348');">Just Bob</a>:</said><p>Part of the problems is that one size doesn't fit all. What may work for MPAA and the RIAA doesn't work for all intellectual property. It almost seems as if big money is trying to corner the market on knowledge.</p></div>I'm not sure big money is trying to corner the market, or they are the only ones who can or are willing to invest in research and having multiple processes only tend to make things more expensive and confusing as how do you decide who uses what process and when and how do you make it fair and fair in who's eyes.  For example private schools, some feel they are unfair others feel they are fair, but they are a solution to the one size doesn't fit all.<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/185348" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=185348');">Just Bob</a>:</said><p>You may see thing differently. That's okay. It's good to have choices.</p></div>Choices are good.<br><br>Now I used to be a researcher and created ideas that lead to products and companies etc but found out that I hated it, as a researcher my interest was in the product and how it worked for people, however investors/shareholders/etc only cared about how much money they were going to make and so that is what ultimately ends up driving and unless there are people who are willing to pay researchers without expectation of return, that is the system which will remain in place.  Certainly people like Bill Gates and his foundation have had some impact, but not enough to change things much.<br><br>Now I sit in my office and build little projects that I'm willing to fund myself and I might publish a paper or a blog entry, but likely not as its the idea creation process I love and so I do what makes me happy, but of course that means I don't make money off of these ideas, but making money came at a price I didn't really enjoy.<br><br>Blake <br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : Once upon a time long ago and far away, universities published the scientific journals. We outgrew that system and the system didn't really work all that well anyhow as the number of journals exploded. What we have now is a continuing privatization, commercialization and monetization of knowledge and the universities themselves. <br><br>Those who are connected to universities or have access to major libraries that subscribe to JSTOR have free and easy access. Others can only gain access at great expense. The number of public libraries subscribing to JSTOR has decreased as the cost has increased.<br><br>Part of the problems is that one size doesn't fit all. What may work for MPAA and the RIAA doesn't work for all intellectual property. It almost seems as if big money is trying to corner the market on knowledge.<br><br>You may see thing differently. That's okay. It's good to have choices.<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1618925" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1618925');">ashrc4</a>:</said><p>Is it fair that an unsuccessful outgoing CEO gets a 10 million handshake whilst and leader in research only gets profits by tying up copyright on his findings. The brain drain saga continues.<br> </p></div>Fair is a fairy tale, humans work via contracts (formal or otherwise) and even then they are often pooched.  That CEO got a golden handshake because someone agreed to it as terms of their employment and no one opposed it (hello shareholders for example), so in the opinion of those making the decision the terms were agreeable.  How many people really care that the CEO or owners of Walmart are making buckets of dough, apparently not many as Walmart gives them what they want, cheap stuff, so in a sense everyone is happy with how the system works.<br><br>I would agree that our world values are completely screwed and innovation and artist pursuits are vastly undervalued, but again people have proven repeatedly that those things are of little value (ie they don't want to invest in them), or they don't value the work and take them without payment or otherwise ignore the terms of the copyright.<br><br>I'm not sure there is a brain drain as I think its just not worth it to be a brain anymore, hence declining involvement/enrollments in those areas.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : The problem with the internet is its a stupid machine, its a tool, little more then dumb hammer.  Anyone can voice any opinion or post information which can run the full spectrum of brilliant to harmful and the internet doesn't care, nor is it meant to care as some folks are dead set against censoring anything and given the internet is global it sadly tends to sink to the lowest levels of world expectations or opinions, it rarely rises.  Even some total whack group is free to spew their agenda of totally craziness from somewhere, but on the upside you don't have to read or agree with everything that is on the internet.  Of course lots of groups like to label you with something if you don't agree with them as some kind of badge of 'human deficiency' (you are a insert-whatever-here) and that tendency hasn't been lost on the internet.<br><br>Now given the internet is simply a dumb machine it means it can also be manipulate or its behavior be forecasted so people with agenda's (which pretty much includes everyone on the planet) can use and does use it to promote their agenda whatever it maybe.<br><br>If you want to shape the world, don't waste your time on the present, its pretty much cast in stone, shape the future.  So trying to shape the internet isn't likely to get very far, shape what comes after the internet.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ashrc4 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by  Link Logger <A HREF="/useremail/u/356416"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>q :</said><p>The other question always comes down to who gets to decide what is beneficial?  Aaron Swartz thought free information would be beneficial, whereas I think it would kill the creation of new information.  For every successful inventor who makes a million, there are million inventors who ended fin the red, take away the reward and the remaining untouched risk kills the motivation.<br><br> </p></div>Is it fair that an unsuccessful outgoing CEO gets a 10 million handshake whilst and leader in research only gets profits by tying up copyright on his findings. The brain drain saga continues.<br><small>--<br>Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Dying to defend one's small piece of suburb...Give me something global...STAT!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ashrc4 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/356416" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=356416');">Link Logger</a>:</said><p>The fact is people just don't value anything anymore as everything is just given to them without any real effort on their behalf and its killing them, society and the the planet.  Maybe its time for expectations to change.<br> </p></div>I agree with all the of last post and the quote too although as separate from each other???<br><br>My ideas may be deemed to radical on the solution side to the quote, so i won't mention them.<br><small>--<br>Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Dying to defend one's small piece of suburb...Give me something global...STAT!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1618925" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1618925');">ashrc4</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/356416" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=356416');">Link Logger</a>:</said><p> Content creators have every right to their content and if they choose to make it private, then what right does someone else have to decide otherwise.<br> </p></div>DNA even gets copy written, and the journals on that for a small price would be o.k. but certain types of knowledge (like DNA) should be free to all those that could do/lead to betterment for us all. Not saying all of it, but some form of change from those that use our/peoples money to do this type of research should have a fairer system in place ahead of their personal profits. I guessing thats inline with how Aaron saw it.<br> </p></div>Knowledge is often a double edge sword, DNA research, could be a benefit, might not be.  For example finding an easy test for DNA markers for some forms of cancer, good, using DNA programming to create a race of super humans, maybe not good particularly if they are intent on enslaving 'lessor' humans.  Sometimes its the shear costs of research that is the controlling factor and enables society to determine what research it wants.<br><br>The other question always comes down to who gets to decide what is beneficial?  Aaron Swartz thought free information would be beneficial, whereas I think it would kill the creation of new information.  For every successful inventor who makes a million, there are million inventors who ended fin the red, take away the reward and the remaining untouched risk kills the motivation.<br><br>I find it amazing that in our world of run away consumerism that people now expect free knowledge like its going to save them or something.  The fact is people just don't value anything anymore as everything is just given to them without any real effort on their behalf and its killing them, society and the the planet.  Maybe its time for expectations to change.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ashrc4 posted : As public access used to be about going to the library and cheap access was just a library card sign up and card fee away folks could easily access/afford the knowledge they seek.<br>The video shows how that access is now, online only, and out for a bigger (far bigger) slice of it. Library's are changing and most of us hoped that our computer via internet would vastly improve this, with the exceptions, journals are not one of them.<br><small>--<br>Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Dying to defend one's small piece of suburb...Give me something global...STAT!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : 'if we get above the din' otherwise known as ignoring the otherside's arguments.<br><br>So in the scientific community, what does a journal publisher do.  First off they review the papers (peer review) that sent into them and if they are a respected journal the people doing the reviews aren't hacks and take the time and resources to properly review the papers given to them, then they only publish the papers deemed worthy (and even then some papers are questionable can get though, but you should see some of the crap they filter out), and for example the OMAE  (one place where I've published papers) arranged an annual conference where we could present and answer questions etc about our paper and share and grow information with other attendees.  If your a researcher this is worth something to you.  I can assure you that Gita Gopinath publishes and attends lots of conferences (&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/gopinath/papers_gopinath" >www.economics.harvard.edu/facult&middot;&middot;&middot;gopinath</A>) so the while the internet is one source of her research its far from her only source, which invalidates the statement that everything she needs is on the internet and hence this CERN presentation, because its simply not true.<br><br>Again if I want information to be publicly available I can publish it on the internet, which still excludes some members of society who don't have a computer/internet or otherwise access to such, but for those that do, its freely available.  However you don't have the benefit of peer review etc, so maybe its brilliant, maybe its utter crap, but you have take the time and effort to decide that for yourself.<br><br>Now as someone who has sat on PhD candidate reviews as a guest, I can tell you most of the world's research papers are read by a handful of people then promptly filed and forgotten.  Really the last original idea was at least several hundreds of years ago and most ideas are mere derivatives of existing ideas, hence why you can't patent an idea and why I like copyright as it truly is a protection of an expression of an idea which doesn't limit the creativity of others as much as patents are now being used to do.<br><br>Even in the video the claim that copyright is a property right is agreed upon, so does that mean that a creator can sell that property to the publisher which is the common practise in the music industry as the artist really isn't interested in the business only in the art and if they had to do both, it would severely limit their artist time as it means they would have to manage the business side to put food on the table.  What do you do for a living, as you likely specialize in some task as to optimize your profitable output, sounds like a artist/publisher arrangement doesn't it.<br><br>I have published papers in journals (they were granted permission to print the paper), and I have papers which weren't submitted to journals for publication (if they were to appear in a journal then we would sue them on copyright infringement as they have no right to publish them).  None of my research has been publicly funded, so that argument doesn't hold water at all.  Even in the case of Universities, what does the public fund exactly?<br><br>We built this world?  Really what was his contribution? Typically everything in this world that has been built, has been built by a surprisingly few people. The internet, World Wide Web, how many designers at Boeing?  I think some people are confused that if they fly on a plane that means they must be involved in building it.  They might be interested, but their contribution to building it is zero.  Dam few people in this world are responsible for everything which affects them, and we typically look at those people as having something wrong with them (that dude living off the land in some remote location).<br><br>I find it interesting that CERN is presenting this video given Tim invented the WWW as a way to share papers with other academics who had access to the net at the time, or would have access to the net.  Internet works great and you can put up a blog and publish your brains out and even make it free and academics know that (they search blogs etc to), but they also subscribe to journals and attend conferences because the internet isn't enough and I'm not just saying that the material on the internet is lacking, I'm also saying it lack the ability to share information at the level researchers need.  The internet hasn't been able to replace face to face meetings and live discussion of ideas etc and perhaps never will.<br><br>So for example lets consider his search for information about Jaundice.  Hmmm $435 to access this information, what internet did he search and why?  Googling Jaundice returns millions of hits, so why use his costly academic search system?  Could it be that he knows that the articles will have been though peer review etc and hence will save him time from surfing through tons of crap articles or articles which aren't really related to his topic?  It must have some value to him, other wise he would have just gone to Google, but he didn't.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ashrc4 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/356416" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=356416');">Link Logger</a>:</said><p> Content creators have every right to their content and if they choose to make it private, then what right does someone else have to decide otherwise.<br> </p></div>DNA even gets copy written, and the journals on that for a small price would be o.k. but certain types of knowledge (like DNA) should be free to all those that could do/lead to betterment for us all. Not saying all of it, but some form of change from those that use our/peoples money to do this type of research should have a fairer system in place ahead of their personal profits. I guessing thats inline with how Aaron saw it.<br><small>--<br>Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Dying to defend one's small piece of suburb...Give me something global...STAT!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : Content creators have nothing to say in the matter. The copyright belongs to the publisher of the journal. You might be a bit behind on the story line. Let me help.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://chronicle.com/article/Who-Gets-to-See-Published/130403/" >chronicle.com/article/Who-Gets-t&middot;&middot;&middot;/130403/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act</A><br><br><p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width="605" height="285"> <param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" />   <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" />  <param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=22633948&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" />  <embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=22633948&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="506" height="285"></embed></object></div></p><center><a href="http://vimeo.com/22633948?pg=embed&amp;sec=22633948">vimeo.com/22633948</a></center><br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : Of course suicide is a sad affair and my condolences to his family and friends but I certainly don't see him as some kind of information martyr, he is just another 20 something who thought everyone else was an idiot.  Hello kid those older generations invented the internet (might want to look into the problem that Tim Berners-Lee was trying to solve when he 'invented' the WWW) and certainly if they wanted the research to be public they would have published it on the internet as such (I have), so he was trying to solve a problem that didn't exist in a way that wasn't legal, hardly stuff worthy of a martyr or social hero.  Content creators have every right to their content and if they choose to make it private, then what right does someone else have to decide otherwise.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ashrc4 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">Linklist</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>In any event, we've had people who did far [more] actual harm to our country and/or government, who were prosecuted with much [less] vigor.<br> </p></div>This was typical prosecutor action - throw the book at them to get a plea bargain. It happens every single day all over the country. I am sure if Swartz & his attorney were open to a deal, he wouldn't have served any time.  But people with principles and certainty of their rightness often pay a higher price when they do something illegal that they think is morally right. <br> </p></div>I wonder what considerations for the alleged planned release of documents held Aaron back from releasing them where....perhaps some forms of "doing right" weren't formalize yet. The fact that nun were released was showing his desire for change to access of knowledge in a good way. <br><small>--<br>Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Dying to defend one's small piece of suburb...Give me something global...STAT!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : I have no doubt the prosecutors said that at one time, but the door was unlocked and there was no sign restricting access to the wiring closet. The trespass charge was dropped.<br><br>As to the unlocked door, that isn't uncommon. I knew a guy who found a door to a vertical cabling truck, leaned over to see what was down there, and fell in head first. Computer operators on the first floor had to rescue him. Embarrassing. <br><br>As to hacking, not so much. He did have to change his MAC address at one point. He wrote a script to automate downloading the articles to which he had legal access.<br><br>He may have violated the JSTOR TOS. Two federal courts have ruled on that issue in other cases. One court called violating the terms of service a crime. The other disagreed. If TOS violation is now a federal crime, we have a very large criminal class. That is an issue that must be resolved.<br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:06:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">Linklist</a>:</said><p>This was typical prosecutor action....<br> </p></div>I don't know.<br><br>This was Massachusetts, which has a long tradition back to the Salem Witch trials.<br><br>(Yes I know this was a federal prosecution....)<br><br>And more recently there, a family named Amirault who owned a nursery school were falsely accused of a slew of absurd child sex acts---and railroaded---utterly and vindictively railroaded---by a prosecutor who wanted to run for office.  (Sounds familiar, a prosecutor wanting to run for office).<br><br>THAT was documented at length by the [highly conservative] writer Dorothy Rabinowitz of the Wall Street Journal.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:46:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Linklist posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>In any event, we've had people who did far [more] actual harm to our country and/or government, who were prosecuted with much [less] vigor.<br> </p></div>This was typical prosecutor action - throw the book at them to get a plea bargain. It happens every single day all over the country. I am sure if Swartz & his attorney were open to a deal, he wouldn't have served any time.  But people with principles and certainty of their rightness often pay a higher price when they do something illegal that they think is morally right. <br><small>--<br>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the  public treasury.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:17:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : In any event, we've had people who did far [more] actual harm to our country and/or government, who were prosecuted with much [less] vigor.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:44:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/766601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=766601');">AVD</a>:</said><p>he had a license to the content. The bulk downloading  was probably a violation of the license as well as the "intent to distribute". But he did not hack anything.<br> </p></div>If what you note is correct, I agree. However, I was simply going by information in the article cited in the OP:  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>... Prosecutors said Swartz hacked into MIT's system in November of 2010 after breaking into a computer wiring closet on campus. Prosecutors said he intended to distribute the articles on file-sharing websites. ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><small>--<br>“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” A. de Tocqueville</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : I doubt there was any copyright violation,  I figure since universities get public dollars in some form or another that most of this work is actually public domain.  Just like images from the Hubble Telescope are public domain because it was helped along via public dollars.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:12:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Just Bob posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully" >lessig.tumblr.com/post/403474630&middot;&middot;&middot;as-bully</A><br><blockquote><br>The billions of snippets of sadness and bewilderment spinning across the Net confirm who this amazing boy was to all of us. But as I&#146;ve read these aches, there&#146;s one strain I wish we could resist: <br><br><b>Please don&#146;t pathologize this story.</b><br><br>No doubt it is a certain crazy that brings a person as loved as Aaron was loved (and he was surrounded in NY by people who loved him) to do what Aaron did. It angers me that he did what he did. But if we&#146;re going to learn from this, we can&#146;t let slide what brought him here.<br></blockquote><br><small>--<br>"...an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch<br>Judging other people is easy. Understanding them can break your heart.<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:02:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Linklist posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/429050" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=429050');">La Luna</a>:</said><p>I've no doubt the prosecution probably pushed him over the edge, and yes, the prosecutor is to blame for that. But it appears that he had issues long before that started. <br><br>I don't want to get into a debate over what caused him to do what he did, that is something we will probably never know.<br> </p></div>More in that vein:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/12/hacker-activist-internet-wunderkind-aaron-swartz-dead-at-26/" >www.loopinsight.com/2013/01/12/h&middot;&middot;&middot;d-at-26/</A><br><div class="bquote"><p>Swartz was also an information activist who often worked outside the law and suffered the consequences. He downloaded and publicly released Federal court documents stored in the government&#146;s PACER database, kicking off an investigation by the FBI. At the time of his death, Swartz was being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act in connection with his unauthorized access to MIT&#146;s computer network to download a large amount of files from JSTOR, an online repository of academic journal articles.<br><br>Some have speculated that the specter of prosecution and imprisonment in connection with the JSTOR incident drove Swartz to suicide. Doctorow didn&#146;t discount the possibility, but also noted that Swartz had suffered with depression. Swartz himself talked about his depression and suicidal ideation publicly in comments he made after parting company with Condé Nast following its acquisition of Reddit in 2006.</p></div><br><small>--<br>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the  public treasury.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chachazz posted : <a href="http://boingboing.net/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz.html">Corry Doctorow</a><br><br><a href="http://blog.archive.org/">Internet Archive Blogs</a>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nonymous posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/520600" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=520600');">signmeuptoo</a>:</said><p>Speaking as a bipolar person who has been treated like shit because of it, I can tell you, people readily exploit you once they know you deal with a mental issue like depression.  Some get their jollies with it.  Some just take advantage of you.  Clinical depression is pure hell, and being sad isn't depression, sadly, the folks that most need to understand are the quickest to dismiss...<br> </p></div>Some people are going to treat you badly anyways. Your own makeup determines how you react to it.<br>I went through some depression years ago. Everything went wrong at once. Some people cared, some people did try to use me but would have anyways with or without depression, most didn't care one way or the other . <br>Thing is those that saw a chink and the armor and went for it would have gone for any weakness. Heck no weakness and they were still going after me.<br>Just when you are seeing things in a skewed perspective you do not handle things as well. So really you can not say they are going after you because of BP , depression etc. Probably going after you anyways. Plus because of your skewed perspective may not be going after you as much as you think or as personally as you think.<br>In this case they are fighting a case and it looks good on their track record. Doesn't matter who it is or what if any problems they have. Just  think the public wants to see them fight this case to make them look good. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:27:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1140294" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1140294');">Blackbird</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><p> ... Swartz pleaded not guilty. His federal trial on computer fraud charges was to begin next month.... </p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57563656/co-founder-of-reddit-aaron-swartz-found-dead/" >www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-575&middot;&middot;&middot;nd-dead/</A>... </p></div>Well, he is alleged to have hacked the MIT computer and copied the journals with intent to give copies of them away - which, to me, seems more like hacking and "copyright violation" rather than outright "stealing". <br> </p></div>he had a license to the content. The bulk downloading  was probably a violation of the license as well as the "intent to distribute". But he did not hack anything.<br><small>--<br>* seek help if having trouble coping<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 08:54:34 EDT</pubDate>
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