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Timmn

join:2000-04-23
Tinley Park, IL
reply to sk1939

Re: Brand names

I don't know what difference being based in Hong Kong makes, the British handed it over to China years ago.


Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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reply to CylonRed

said by CylonRed:

GE never had good stuff imho.

we had a GE fridge that ran fine for 35+ years or something, and its interior build quality was far superior to anything today. Its compressor even survived my parents running it in the UK while in the USAF. meaning it ran on a transformer at 50hz instead of 60hz as it was designed to.
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sk1939
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reply to Timmn

said by Timmn:

I don't know what difference being based in Hong Kong makes, the British handed it over to China years ago.

You mean other than minor things like an independent government, currency, and market economy?


chip89

join:2012-07-05
Independence, OH
reply to Hellrazor

To Late I bought A craftsman last year!


Hellrazor

join:2002-02-02
Abyss, PA

said by chip89:

To Late I bought A craftsman last year!

My condolences...

sk1939
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I haven't bought a Craftsman power tool since the late 80's...and those still run fine.



KrK
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Tulsa, OK
reply to nunya

Profit margins. Companies must keep propping up stock with continuous gains, all the while consumers, squeezed on every side by soaring inflation and wage stagnation shop purely by price.

So the race to the lowest quality junk only accelerates. The sad thing is now is you can spend real money on a product and still get cheap junk quality that will fail and die. Look at modern construction vs a few decades ago. Ever watch how quickly a modern house burns down?
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KrK
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reply to Steve

Wal-Mart perpetuates the myth of low prices.

They do this by having very visible and well placed loss leaders....

while they make it up selling cheap junk at very high margins elsewhere. Walmart is always believed to be the cheapest, but it isn't.

It's not just Walmart, however. The cheap junk at full price syndrome is everywhere. Farm Supply, Home Depot, ACE hardware, you name it. Junk @ full price.
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telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06

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said by KrK:

Wal-Mart perpetuates the myth of low prices.

They do this by having very visible and well placed loss leaders....

while they make it up selling cheap junk at very high margins elsewhere. Walmart is always believed to be the cheapest, but it isn't.

It's not just Walmart, however. The cheap junk at full price syndrome is everywhere. Farm Supply, Home Depot, ACE hardware, you name it. Junk @ full price.

and its funny how the little things can be priced differently, up here we have a Canadian chain that operates under a few different banners, RONA. on things like breaker panels they are cheaper than home depot, but oddly home depot is cheaper on the breakers to fill the panel. its like this with many items. Sadly these big box stores have killed the traditional hardware store, when i was a kid we had 3 small hardware stores and 4 local owned lumber yards. today those 3 hardware stores are gone and 2 of the lumber yards gone, the other two have been bought up by chains. They may be cheaper on hardware and the like, but the mom n pop hardware store came with know how behind the product. Sometimes you would run into an odd problem around the house, if you go to a big box for a solution they will tell you cant be done, the mom n pop, he will head down to the mythical hardware store basement, you will hear crashing and banging with swearing and the guy appears with a couple of parts that fix your problem. Sadly these places are now few and far between. When i find one i frequent them as much as i can.


tschmidt
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said by telco_mtl:

Sadly these places are now few and far between. When i find one i frequent them as much as i can.

We are lucky in that respect in that local hardware, lumber, plumbing and electrical businesses have not been displaced by the big box retailers and seem to be holding their own.

Our local hardware store comes reasonably close to big box prices and as you mentioned the people who work there have been there for years and know who you are and are able to offer advice.

I try to patronize local businesses but I have to admit there is an attraction to big box home centers in being able to walk the isles and see merchandise to get ideas. That is not something you can do in a smaller business where the counter attendant gets the merchandise for you.

While I generally agree with the axiom - you get what you pay for - it is hard to tell the true difference between products any more. There has been so much consolidation that now most brands are now owned by amorphous corporate conglomerates. Whatever unique traits they used to bring to the market have been lost.

/tom


cableties
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said by tschmidt:

said by telco_mtl:

Sadly these places are now few and far between. When i find one i frequent them as much as i can.

...Our local hardware store comes reasonably close to big box prices and as you mentioned the people who work there have been there for years and know who you are and are able to offer advice.

I try to patronize local businesses but I have to admit there is an attraction to big box home centers in being able to walk the isles and see merchandise to get ideas. That is not something you can do in a smaller business where the counter attendant gets the merchandise for you...

+1
Lumberyard a ways out has far better lumber than the big boxes (Howes Despot). Matter of fact, big boxes have more kerfed, twists, and distorted/wet timber than most understand, yet buy because it is cheaper per foot than lumberyard.

I patronize the smaller hardware stores because they make up for higher price in knowledge, courtesy and wide assortment that big boxes don't have.

Never seen a sale at Howes Despot, Never. "Just our low prices..."
(ok, rant over. Off to get some HVAC filters... cheaper at HD than amazon!)
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reply to nunya

I've got to the point to where I ignore the brand name for the most part (There is a few out there that just scream pass, and on those I do). What I do is go to the local pawn shops, and look for contractor's tools that they have pawned off for whatever reason. If they look like hell and have been put through hell, and are still running by the time they hit the shelves at the shop, then they'll probably do me fine for a while. Gets me a great price too,

So far this is working out great.


pandora
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reply to nunya

I tried customer support for a Black & Decker product about a year ago. The support was awful.

I've gotten outstanding support from Samsung, Jacuzzi, Vizio and Dyson. Though they aren't in the tool business.
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