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Re: What time is the hearing for Jan14th? said by MFido:This post of yours shows (again) how limited your view is ... no news 
Count the lawyers, Marc's time, etc ... they are not all paid $10/h
You are really a bad ass against Teksavvy, without a reason ... 
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Even if TSI makes a profit on this, I'd be all for them charging $10,000 per IP researched as it will make trolls think more than twice about pulling these stunts. Wouldn't you?
The price per IP researched should be high because it pulls people away from their regular jobs pushing the company forward. |
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All costs and lost profits considered $190k is cheap! |
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| reply to MaynardKrebs said by MaynardKrebs:Mike,
Even if TSI makes a profit on this, I'd be all for them charging $10,000 per IP researched as it will make trolls think more than twice about pulling these stunts. Wouldn't you?
The price per IP researched should be high because it pulls people away from their regular jobs pushing the company forward. It gives ISPs an incentive to keep logs forever and sell them at a whim, despite there being absolutely no proof - zero zilch nada - that the IP address was even bona fide to begin with, or the account holder was the offender.
In the courts, costs are "actual costs" incurred, not "what I think they're worth in this wicked little cottage industry we've spawned". To do otherwise offends me. Seriously, this whole thing stinks to high heaven man. Tinfoil or no, I'm pissed about this in a big way and I just can't get my head around it.
FWIW, I think it should be a criminal offense to release that information to anyone.
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 1 edit | Given that TSI had 4 passes through their data, had about 50% uncorrelated ip's, and a number misidentified, that should be enough to call into question the accuracy of all their data at any trial.
It wouldn't matter even if they retained logs for 100 years - errors and missing/uncorrelated data of that magnitude call into question ANY information TSI provides anyone.
And more importantly it calls into question the entirety of the data provided by Canipre/Voltage as to which IP's allegedly infringed. If between Canipre's garbage input data errors and TSI garbage output there is a 50% error rate that's observed, what probability is there that the remaining 50% isn't riddled with errors too.
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 AkFubarAdmittedly, A Teksavvy Fan join:2005-02-28 Toronto CAN. | reply to callous10 The judge is suspicious as to how IP = persons accused |
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"Judge: It is not clear what an ISP (IP) number correlates to the individual involved in the activity #voltage"
Nice of the judge to pick up on that, as it alludes to proving someone is directly responsible. Perhaps later the court may ask the question, "Is an IP address an individual" -- ...virtue gives you heraldry. |
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Re: [Twitter] Ressy | PAnderson| MGeist | SVILaw >TSI offers to send notice on behalf of #Voltage asking them to stop. Voltage will as long as their is no costs. TSI agrees.
So Voltage wants the sharers to stop sharing the alleged file but to also preserve the evidence?
How do you square that circle?
At any rate another skirmish lost by the Trolls. |
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 nekoAll Hail CanadaPremium join:2006-08-11 Canada | reply to AkFubar
Re: What time is the hearing for Jan14th? Beat me to it  |
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| reply to MaynardKrebs said by MaynardKrebs:Given that TSI had 4 passes through their data, had about 50% uncorrelated ip's, and a number misidentified, that should be enough to call into question the accuracy of all their data at any trial.
It wouldn't matter even if they retained logs for 100 years - errors and missing/uncorrelated data of that magnitude call into question ANY information TSI provides anyone, and more importantly it calls into question the entirety of the data provided by Canipre/Voltage as to which IP's allegedly infringed. Agreed.
I was also somewhat encouraged by TSI's posture today. Not a lot, but some anyway.
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| said by dillyhammer:I was also somewhat encouraged by TSI's posture today. Not a lot, but some anyway.
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 AkFubarAdmittedly, A Teksavvy Fan join:2005-02-28 Toronto CAN. | reply to callous10 LOL judge wanted to know how Voltage plans to deal with 1000 litigants in front of his court. |
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| reply to callous10 People are all up in arms over Teksavvy and how they are dealing with this. After today, we see they are going about this the right way, and that is make it difficult, time consuming and expensive that Voltage will move on. I like how they are doing this, better then a knee jerk reaction that most people wanted. |
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 mlord join:2006-11-05 Nepean, ON kudos:9 | reply to El Quintron Based on what can be gleaned from the twitter feeds, I am rather encouraged by and thankful to Teksavvy for their active participation in today's proceedings.
Thanks, guys! (even though I'm not on "The List"). |
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 TwiztedZeroNine Zero Burp Nine SixPremium join:2011-03-31 Toronto, ON kudos:3 | reply to AkFubar Twitterverse Stuff & Updates, Sorry if some are out of chronicle order but did the best I could. Enjoy
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| reply to callous10 Well people should have not expected that TSI would be talking strategy on here in an open forum. I had a feeling they would make things difficult today. -- If my online experience is enhanced, why are my speeds throttled?? BHell... A Public Futility. |
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| reply to callous10 I for one welcome our new Teksavvy overlords. I would like to remind them that as a trusted patron of their services, I can be helpful in rounding of others to toil in your underground fiber networks.
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