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J E F F
Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
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Kitchener, ON
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reply to elitefx

Re: Rogers Killing Cable TV

I was looking at Shaw but I didn't see any $30 plan, I saw that there was a 6 month discount to take it to $30..but no $30 plan....

How hard is it to get DirecTV? Does anyone here have it? Although looking at the prices, they ain't a hell of a lot better either. (although they are better..just not a hell of a lot)
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J E F F
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reply to elitefx
I take it back...DISH Network is cheaper than the others. Starts at $14.99 month. Includes all local plus some specialty. Also, allows you to add certain superstations.
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dabonz

join:2012-05-17
Ottawa, ON
reply to elitefx
Shame on Them !

JAC70

join:2008-10-20
canada
reply to elitefx
said by elitefx:

Rogers are like addicts now. No ethics, no self respect just a blinding drive to rake in cash no matter who they hurt and stomp on along the way.
There's nothing good you can really say about Rogers anymore. They're just this dark, vile, evil force out there preying on society's weakest links.

LOL. What do you want to bet an IP lookup would show our resident drama queen posting from Bell corporate headquarters?


rosenqui
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join:2004-05-28
Kanata, ON
reply to J E F F
said by J E F F:

I was looking at Shaw but I didn't see any $30 plan, I saw that there was a 6 month discount to take it to $30..but no $30 plan....

It's called "Digital Lite" and it's hidden by default on their programming page. Go to their Store/Programming and then click on the "View All Packages" link under "Action 2: Choose your package".


rosenqui
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Kanata, ON
reply to J E F F
said by J E F F:

I take it back...DISH Network is cheaper than the others. Starts at $14.99 month. Includes all local plus some specialty. Also, allows you to add certain superstations.

Beware Dish & DirectTV's teaser rates. They're almost as bad as Bell in that regard, although unlike Bell at least they make it pretty easy to see what the real rate is once the honeymoon is over and the rebates end. Dish's $19.99 package is $24.99 once your first 12 months are up.

If you were going to sign up for a grey market service like Dish or DirectTV that you'd have to carefully shop for the right US address so that you qualify for the national network feeds. The US satellite services use spot beams to deliver locals, so if you sign up with a Florida address you'll get the appropriate local channels for that area, but you won't be able to receive them once you venture too far outside of that geographic area since the beam only covers that region.


TwiztedZero
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Toronto, ON
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reply to elitefx
You could run out and buy a channel master 4221 antenna and mount it somplace if you're in the GTA area or an area with good access to Lake Ontario. Then you'd receive local channels and some U.S. content free over the air. (OTA). Be a cord cutter, then you could suplement that with online content perhaps with xbmc/mediaportal-pvr setup or something. Just a suggestion, and yes I realize this might not be an option for everyone.
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J E F F
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reply to rosenqui
I put in a Niagara Falls zip code. Dish is still a lot cheaper than DirecTV.


J E F F
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reply to TwiztedZero
He's in London, likely won't get much. I went to TVFool, and checked out some info, I inputed 50 foot as an antenna.




As you can see by the image, and, as they quoted:

quote:
Reception at your location is affected by many factors such as multipath, antenna gain, receiver sensitivity, buildings, and trees - which are not taken into account. Your mileage may vary.
I highlighted "multipath" as it is a major issue the further you go out. Since the signal are straight and not spread, once you're a few miles out from original source, it's going to be hard getting them.

Still, if (actually when) I get rid of cable, I'll give it a shot, because that's the type of stuff I do. I do stuff to see if I can just make it happen.

EDIT NOTE: Forgot my attachment!
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sbrook
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Jeff, Multipath (distortion) is "reflections". For analogue TV, evidence of multipath is ghosting. Say you live not too far from tall buildings. The TV signal goes direct to your antenna, but it also reflects foo the building and onto your antenna and the few additional microseconds it takes for the signal to get to your TV messes up the direct signal. This causes signal distortion.

On analogue TV, this caused the ever famous "ghosts", on digital TV, like most signal quality issues, it causes pixellation. Multipath is a real problem with rabbit ears which have poor directional discrimination. With good high-gain directional antennas the impact of multipath is dramatically reduced but it means either an antenna rotator or multiple antennas.

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My biggest complaint is that a lot of the TV I watch is NOT available OTA ... History channel, Discovery channel, HGTV etc. so I'm tied to cable or satellite, and the channels I tend to watch are in packages that include a lot of other channels that I don't watch and wish I didn't have to pay for!


J E F F
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said by sbrook:

Jeff, Multipath (distortion) is "reflections". For analogue TV, evidence of multipath is ghosting. Say you live not too far from tall buildings. The TV signal goes direct to your antenna, but it also reflects foo the building and onto your antenna and the few additional microseconds it takes for the signal to get to your TV messes up the direct signal. This causes signal distortion.

On analogue TV, this caused the ever famous "ghosts", on digital TV, like most signal quality issues, it causes pixellation. Multipath is a real problem with rabbit ears which have poor directional discrimination. With good high-gain directional antennas the impact of multipath is dramatically reduced but it means either an antenna rotator or multiple antennas.

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My biggest complaint is that a lot of the TV I watch is NOT available OTA ... History channel, Discovery channel, HGTV etc. so I'm tied to cable or satellite, and the channels I tend to watch are in packages that include a lot of other channels that I don't watch and wish I didn't have to pay for!

Thanks for clarifying. I was speaking to someone who had put a single antenna up on their roof and they were explaining multi-pathing -- they're pretty smart so I took his word for it.

That's good to know though, maybe a good antenna set-up is all I need.

On topic of those channels not available OTA: Apparently Apple (or someone) will be changing the way we watch TV. This isn't in reference to them making available a TV, but rather, Apps on their current Apple TV device that will allow for way more programming. Now, I admit this is inside info, but apparently it might have the power to put the cable/satellite business out of business. They were comparing it how the record and 8-track (and now CD's) and film (35mm) going obsolete.

Time are changing, and companies like Rogers need to realize this. Constantly raising the prices isn't good customer service, it's greed.
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sbrook
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As I mentioned in another thread, the crazy part about this, when you have probably 15 million product-customers ... a single dollar per month represents 180 million dollars profit ... or LOSS if a widespread per customer cost hits them. I'm not trying to justify Rogers actions but when you're dealing with the ability to make or lose $180 million on just a single dollar per customer, it's pretty serious stuff.

It is no wonder that call centres are staffed with low paid workers ... they need to keep costs per customer down. Sadly, what Rogers have failed to realize is that they can keep costs down by having a more reliable service, to no need so many customer support agents because problems get solved on the first call, not the 20th because the agents can't be understood or understand.

Big companies can rise to monumental heights really easily on small margins, and equally they can come crashing down even more easily. (Need I mention Nortel?)

It's finding the balance ... and sadly Rogers has tipped the scale too far against the consumer. It's why I changed to TSI and wish I could change for TV.

Beware though, any company distributing TV services will still be ridiculously expensive.

scorpido
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reply to J E F F
said by J E F F:

I like their commercial.

»directv.vo.llnwd.net/e5/shorts/A···50N0.mp4

Thats is awesome, I'm totally sold.

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to J E F F
said by J E F F:

Apparently Apple (or someone) will be changing the way we watch TV. This isn't in reference to them making available a TV, but rather, Apps on their current Apple TV device that will allow for way more programming. Now, I admit this is inside info, but apparently it might have the power to put the cable/satellite business out of business.

The content rights holders need to play along, though. And in Canada, who are the content rights holders again?


J E F F
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reply to elitefx
Just had a thought, since this increase was announced January 2nd, your bill was likely already sorted. Keep us posted if you can.
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J E F F
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said by bt:

said by J E F F:

Apparently Apple (or someone) will be changing the way we watch TV. This isn't in reference to them making available a TV, but rather, Apps on their current Apple TV device that will allow for way more programming. Now, I admit this is inside info, but apparently it might have the power to put the cable/satellite business out of business.

The content rights holders need to play along, though. And in Canada, who are the content rights holders again?

They either play along or risk more people using VPN.
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bt

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VPN to where, exactly? The US, where the whole situation is only marginally better?


J E F F
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said by bt:

VPN to where, exactly? The US, where the whole situation is only marginally better?

If they are correct and someone puts cable and satellite to rest, yes, VPN to USA.

Although you're right, the US is only marginally better.
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bparanoid5

join:2009-07-17

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reply to elitefx
I went with OTA in May 2011 and couldn't be happier. For giggles I decided to pull out all of my Rogers Cable bills going back to 2002 (i'm a bit of a pack rat)
In 2002 I was paying $24.48(taxes in) a month for basic cable.
In 2006 with the craze of HDTV pvr's etc I ended up paying $713.00 for the Year.
In 2010 I was up to $980.00 for the year.
Total cost from Jan 2002 to May 2011 - $5,682.91
Total costs from Jun 2011 to present...$0.00

Life does go on without 100+ reality channels

Growing up all we had was one 20 inch B&W Tv with CBC, CityTV and a snowy image of Fox if it was a nice day.

Edit..p.s. City TV playing right now on my 100 inch projector in true uncompressed 1080p HD glory of a cheap $50.00 antenna.


elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
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Yea, it's a sad day in 2013 when we're forced to revert to updated ancient technology because unregulated cable providers like Rogers have ruined our conventional entertainment universe with their greed and avarice.


rosenqui
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Kanata, ON
reply to bparanoid5
said by bparanoid5:

I went with OTA in May 2011 and couldn't be happier. For giggles I decided to pull out all of my Rogers Cable bills going back to 2002 (i'm a bit of a pack rat)

I did the same thing for a blog article but with Bell Satellite. It was quite enlightening to look back at the fee increases.

2000 - The Works - $51.95
2001 - The Works - $52.95
2002 - Ultimate 9 - $64.99 (included $1 for US networks)
2003 - Super 9 - $52.99 (we switched from Ultimate to Super in Dec 2002)
2004 - Super 9 - $54.98 (the $2.99 "System Charge" is introduced)
2005 - Super 9 - $57.98
2006 - Digital Standard + 5 themes + HD - $57.00
2007 - Digital Standard + 5 themes + HD - $61.00
2008 - Digital Standard + 5 themes + HD - $64.00 ($3 "Digital Service Fee" is introduced)
2009 - Digital Standard + 5 themes + HD - $68.00
2010 - Digital Standard + 5 themes + HD - $70.00
2011 - Digital Standard + 5 themes + HD - $74.00
2012 - Digital Standard + 3 themes + HD - $70.00 (we dropped some programming)
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bparanoid5

join:2009-07-17
Great Blog..looks like you took a page right out of my story.

The only differences are:
-Internet - Teksavvy
-No Hulu Plus
- +Roku box (tons of private channels)

Internet = $39.95
Netflix = $8.00
Roku = $0.00
OTA = $0.00
Voip.MS = $??spare change ??


rosenqui
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Kanata, ON
If I was starting from scratch I'd probably get a few Roku boxes since they're cheap and so simple to use and setup, but I already had a PS3 and that's what we used when Netflix first came to Canada a few years ago. I don't think Roku was even selling in Canada at the time.

We have 3 main viewing rooms - the home theatre (basement), living room, and master bedroom. I bought a second PS3 when the slim units went on sale, then I won a 3rd one at a fundraising raffle, so I had one for each room by the time we ditched satellite.

The living room and bedroom each have the 4GB XBox slim acting as a Windows Media Center extender for watching OTA TV. I got one on sale from Dell for $130 and bought the other off Kijiji. If Microsoft wasn't acting so greedy by requiring XBox Live Gold membership to use video apps I'd probably just use the XBox for Netflix/Hulu/etc. in those rooms and not have a PS3 there.
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yabos

join:2003-02-16
London, ON
reply to elitefx
Cancelled my Robbers TV. It was $57/m for BASIC cable + HD set top which I barely watched.