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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:47:46 EDT

skeechan posted : Not to me and certainly not with how usage caps are going in the US markets. Content will need to debut on hard media and then in 10-12 years when 4K sets are the norm and ISPs have caught up with throughput, Netflix will have the stuff.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:43:00 EDT

skeechan posted : Fox looks bad in LA because OTA has bad compression artifacts, not because it is 720P. It is like they make it look bad on purpose. Sports programming looks particularly bad.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:42:14 EDT

skeechan posted : By "grainy" in quotes I meant compression artifacts.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:24:40 EDT

Corehhi posted :

said by skeechan:

There isn't any content to be put onto disc. But disc is where 4K content should start.

Disk is just about dead for various reasons. It's like CD's, MP3's are a down grade to a CD but that's where the market went.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:19:51 EDT

Corehhi posted : You would have loved the glory days of VHS and 26 inch TV's. LOL. 480i is grainy??? LOL.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:48:10 EDT

MURICA posted : There are plenty of us who aren't on third world Internet connections with data caps.

Verizon FiOS (300 Mbps connections; 20 million households) has no caps.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:45:50 EDT

MURICA posted : Fox looks bad in every market because it is only 720p.

This is why ABC also looks like shit.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:44:55 EDT

MURICA posted : Grainy? That's the exact opposite of over-compressed HD. Over-compressed HD has no grain. Grain preservation requires a high bitrate.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:17:15 EDT

skeechan posted : In LA CBS and Fox HD OTA look pretty bad.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:06:01 EDT

VegasMan posted : OTA HD looks good as long as there isn't any sub channels, but almost every channel has at least one sub now, there are only a handful that don't.
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:53:23 EDT

skeechan posted : Would a 4K movie be fatter than 128GB? Just using a cheese download calculator if the stream is 51Mbps, 128GB would be 5.5 hours. At 100Mbps, 2 hours 50 minutes. Seems if the newest multilayer bluray discs were the media of choice that it could easily hold a 4K movie.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:12:59 EDT

C0deZer0 posted : I fully expect there to be yet another BluRay standard. By count, there's already no less than five revisions of the standard for different things/reasons.

3.0 was basically made for effectively "BluRay audio" - music discs on BluRay. And of course, the only player out there that supports this standard is the PlayStation3. 3D BluRay is done in Profile 5.0 if I remember correctly.
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:18:47 EDT

Kearnstd posted : And that 4k stream will burn up a pitiful data cap in no time if doing it over the internet.

I expect tech to improve, Data caps however will likely get smaller and overage rates higher.(private jets are not cheap.)
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:46:20 EDT

firedrakes posted : storage size . needs to catch up and big thing with 4k is you need a tv larger then 42 inchs to really notice it

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:57:23 EDT

cypherstream posted : HEVC (Hi Efficiency Video Codec) will solve the bitrate issue.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Effic···o_Coding

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:25:05 EDT

vpoko posted : The problem is that the 4K generation of TV's is also the generation where physical media goes into decline. Besides, it's a lot quicker to use some extra bandwidth on your existing system than wait for a new 4K Blu Ray standard, and then wait for others to manufacture the players and discs. It's more of a proof-of-concept at this point than a serious, commercial venture.

By the way, Blu Ray was a bit late to the HD party, too.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:17:14 EDT

dlewis23 posted : 4K Can use any BR disk size but if you put it in the way a movie is intended to be put on a BR disk it will only be 1080p no matter what the disk size is.

The only way 4K will ever be on BR is as a data disk. Which you could do even on a DVD if you wanted to.

Playing it off a BR player will become a problem as bit rate goes up.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:24:24 EDT

anon posted : I was told that most new digital movies are "4K". If this is the case then the product is there the only issue will be how it is distributed. The question I have is if sports or the porn industry will jump start the technology. I understand that 3D with the 4K system actually works so that is another potential area of interest. As far as those who oppose this technology my first guess is that Apple would be in the front (or back) as they have tried to kill BluRay in the past. Those who see the future as product via cable or DSL may be surprised. I want a quality picture, not some grainy, blocky, over compressed image full of artifacts. The price will come down and more people will buy it. This could make a major dent in the projector market as you can have a large high quality picture in a room with "normal" lighting.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:14 EDT

skeechan posted : There isn't any content to be put onto disc. But disc is where 4K content should start.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:06:40 EDT

stet posted : There were a handful of Blu-ray players from a few different companies (Sony, Oppo, Panasonic, etc) on display at CES with the ability to upscale to 4K but none of them had the capability to play 4K content off of disc.
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:29:43 EDT

skeechan posted : 1-ADAM-12, see the man about an overpriced TV that has no content.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:29:14 EDT

n2jtx posted :

said by Cabal:

I can't imagine going back to 480i, it's so grainy.

Sadly that is mostly what I watch. This.TV, Antenna, MeTV and COZI all run classic programming and that is all 480i. The few times I switch back to newer programming, I am floored at the HD clarity.
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:24:38 EDT

skeechan posted : I have seen Sony's new 4K BR player for sale in the B&H Photo Catalog. Quad layer BRD (BDXL) holds 128GB. I would guess that Bluray 4K would use BDXL discs. 4K may not even be "Bluray" since it is just called 4K in the description (unlike "3D Bluray"). Without content though it is little more than an upscaler at this point.

»store.sony.com/p/BDP-S790/en/p/BDPS790

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:20:21 EDT

ITALIAN926 posted : Could a 2 hour 4K movie even fit on a blu-ray disc?

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:19:37 EDT

skeechan posted : Nothing so awesomely "grainy" as over-compressed HD. And in my market, OTA HD looks like dog crap. It is like they degrade or over compress it on purpose so that you buy through the MSO or DBS provider (where they get paid for re-transmission).

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:16:12 EDT

Cabal posted : I can't imagine going back to 480i, it's so grainy.

(Side note: Our HD content is free, OTA ATSC.)
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:14:13 EDT

skeechan posted : This is bandwidth no one has in the regular market. DBS and MSOs already compress video to the point it is nearly unwatchable.

If Best Buy wants to grab this channel on a 6' dish to demo TV's, cool, but this has ZERO practical application for anyone not trying to sell a TV.

Even then, stores looking to demo 4K would be better served with a Bluray 4K disc on a loop.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:10:20 EDT

cableties posted : Not a waste. It's all relative.
In time, the average connection to the home will be 1Gbs. Even a 500Mb/s line will have the over head. Heck, even a 200-300Mb/s line would be fine with room for other services.

Netflix delivers average movie 3-4Mb/s. Since most have 10-20Mb/s modems, its is still a 1/5 of the bandwidth (not talking caps here).

I look forward to when BR is dead, and it all comes down to subscription-streaming and 4K press-on screens! (stick'em on the wall, plug'em in, sync and go!)
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:08:36 EDT

Donut posted : I agree. Hell we dont even have HD through our Cable Service Provider. It just another way for Cable Providers to make extra cash.
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Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:08:03 EDT

skeechan posted : It should start with Bluray 4K.

Re: Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:04:04 EDT

CrazyFingers posted : Which is exactly what everyone said in 1998 when we were installing $20,000 plasma screens in rich people's houses.
Give it time, it has to start somewhere.
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Waste of bandwidth without content

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:59:24 EDT

skeechan posted : A channel that sucks down 40Mb carrying content no one cares about for televisions no one has.

Winrar.