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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:53:37 EDT

resa1983 posted : PIAC, CIPPIC, Open Media, and others request that the Minister stop the sale of the AWS spectrum that was reserved for new entrants which Shaw purchased, from being sold to Rogers, as its against the original intents of the auction.
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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:45:39 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Same reason the Waters family sold CHUM to CTV, MONEY.

While settle for a paltry 2m/yr (split 5 ways) in yearly return, when you can get a huge payday now and not worry about the company making or losing money.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:32:24 EDT

ArthurS posted : Ugh! First I had Mountain Cable (which did a pretty good job for my cable TV), then it switched to Shaw (same crew, but painfully long hold times to get a hold of someone at Shaw call center), and now Rogers?? I guess I have a year before this is really finalized, and make the choice to stay, or go OTA, or go with Bell Fibe TV, or maybe a combination? At least Bell finally broke the monopoly in providing TV in my area. Bell or Rogers, which is the lesser of two evils??? :p

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:36:42 EDT

dillyhammer posted :

said by grunze510:

Wait, hold up. Wasn't one of the rules in the 2009ish spectrum auction that Robellus wasn't supposed allowed to buy spectrum because they wouldn't use it?

I think that was the case, yes.
I'm looking for a snippet somewhere that confirms this, so I can fire it off in my letter to IC - not that it'll do any good.

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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:06:15 EDT

Gone posted :

said by elwoodblues:

Rogers now controls the territory on 3 sides of Cogeco.

That's not as big a deal as it sounds considering that there's really only two major cable players in Southern Ontario, and Shaw was never major.

Mountain wanted to sell to Rogers from the very beginning, but it all came down to money and Shaw at the time had the better deal.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:49:22 EDT

MFido posted :

said by elwoodblues:

HA, the rumors of Cogeco's sale have come up again with this sale.

EACH time when any change happens in our small Canadian telecom world, even a small, small change, this rumor appears ... It is just funny. I do not see WHY Cogeco would sell ...

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:21:05 EDT

anon posted : Cogeco also now has;

A transit company (PEER1), A foot in the US market (Atlantic Broadband) and a Fiber Company in the downtown Toronto core (Cogeco Data Services)

Pretty sure they are not in a rush to sell.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:03:13 EDT

elwoodblues posted : HA, the rumors of Cogeco's sale have come up again with this sale.
I can read it on my tablet using the app (they haven't figured how to lock that down yet). If anyone has a "Globe Unlimited" account please post the story here.

If the past Louis Audet has said no, but recently his father passed away and no doubt the shares will get divided amongst the wife and kids.

Apparently the dividends the company pays out on the Audet holdings is only $2m/yr while Louis is bringing in $3m as CEO. With Mountain cable sold to Rogers, Rogers now controls the territory on 3 sides of Cogeco.

Just like the Waters family said they wouldn't sell Chum upon the passing of their father, I'm sure it's a matter of time before Cogeco is up for grabs.
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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:57:33 EDT

Gone posted : No, Bell and Rogers both have BWS deployments. Rogers is even selling phones now that use BWS rather than AWS for LTE.

BWS - 2500-2690MHz - is what the Europeans will be using for LTE, in case anyone cares. I believe we're the only country that's going to be using both 700MHz and BWS for LTE. The Americans aren't doing BWS and the Europeans aren't doing 700MHz.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:52:42 EDT

grunze510 posted : Wait, hold up. Wasn't one of the rules in the 2009ish spectrum auction that Robellus wasn't supposed allowed to buy spectrum because they wouldn't use it?

... Whatever.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:58:39 EDT

andyb posted : Is that not unused now also?If so like over 30% or more of unused spectrum among the big 3

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:26:04 EDT

Gone posted : Yeah I could see AWS being an issue. Then again, Bell and Rogers already own a near 50/50 split of BRS spectrum across the entire country.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:23:17 EDT

yyzlhr posted :

said by Gone:

said by elwoodblues:

Be interesting to see if the CRTC and the Competition bureau rubber stamp this.

For competition purposes I don't think it's that big of a deal. The far bigger story is that Rogers finally ended up with something they desperately wanted for a very long time.

From a competitive standpoint, the acquisition of Shaw's hamilton assets doesn't make the landscape there any more or less competitive. Whether the deal goes through or not, there will be three providers in the Hamilton region, and each provider has their own geographical monopoly anyways.

The real competition issue comes from the spectrum. AWS spectrum was set aside specifically for new entrants who need the spectrum more desperately than Rogers/Bell/Telus.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:58:18 EDT

andyb posted : On the cable thing probably not as its a small footprint but on the AWS...Rogers already owns 23% of all the AWS spectrum and I dont believe they even use it.Combined Rogers,Bell and Telus have 55%.Shaw owns 7% and still I dont think any of that 62% is actually used

Percentages are available here
»www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.ns···tml#s4.1

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:27:21 EDT

Gone posted :

said by elwoodblues:

Be interesting to see if the CRTC and the Competition bureau rubber stamp this.

For competition purposes I don't think it's that big of a deal. The far bigger story is that Rogers finally ended up with something they desperately wanted for a very long time.

I have to wonder just what Shaw got in return for this, because the whole Mountain Cable situation was a very sour point in their otherwise cozy relationship.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:22:09 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Be interesting to see if the CRTC and the Competition bureau rubber stamp this.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:12:35 EDT

Gone posted : Poor, poor bastards on the mountain.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:21:47 EDT

elwoodblues posted :

said by mlerner:

I can almost guarantee if the Shaw family wanted out entirely, they would make an offer first to Rogers for all of their assets. Shaw and Rogers are competitors in some cases but they're also buddies.

Like the little deal to swap Scarborough with Rogers assets out west.
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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:51:24 EDT

mlerner posted : I can almost guarantee if the Shaw family wanted out entirely, they would make an offer first to Rogers for all of their assets. Shaw and Rogers are competitors in some cases but they're also buddies.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:42:00 EDT

resa1983 posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by DKS:

said by cog_biz_user:

I can understand why Shaw would want AWS space, but why a slice of tv tropolis? It's a terrible channel. :hmm:

Irrelevant. It is guaranteed revenue, as it is paid for by cable subscribers on a per user basis.

....in a bundle.
The minute people can purchase channels a la carte, Shaw will have to writedown the value of TV Tropolis to effectively zero.

Shaw probably would have been smarter to sell the AWS spectrum to Wind, and then sell the cable assets separately to Rogers or Cogeco.

Rogers probably would have made it a deal breaker, just to keep it out of Wind's hands.
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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:35:38 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by DKS:

said by cog_biz_user:

I can understand why Shaw would want AWS space, but why a slice of tv tropolis? It's a terrible channel. :hmm:

Irrelevant. It is guaranteed revenue, as it is paid for by cable subscribers on a per user basis.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:17:53 EDT

DKS posted :

said by cog_biz_user:

I can understand why Shaw would want AWS space, but why a slice of tv tropolis? It's a terrible channel. :hmm:

Irrelevant. It is guaranteed revenue, as it is paid for by cable subscribers on a per user basis.
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Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:45:20 EDT

cog_biz_user posted : I can understand why Shaw would want AWS space, but why a slice of tv tropolis? It's a terrible channel. :hmm:

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:45:39 EDT

BGB posted : -

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:12:56 EDT

mlerner posted : Welcome to North America. The Government doesn't care as long as it eventually gets used in some way.

Re: Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:04:26 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Holy shit, well its just a matter of time before Cogeco is up for grabs.

Rogers should not be allowed to aquire Shaws spectrum(they're not going to launch cell service) , it should go back in the pot.

Shaw sells Mountain Cablevision to Rogers

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:32:47 EDT

andyb posted : Among other things.

"CALGARY, ALBERTA--(Marketwire - Jan. 14, 2013) - Shaw Communications Inc. (TSX:SJR.B)(NYSE:SJR) ("Shaw" or "the Company") announced today that it has entered into agreements with Rogers Communications Inc. ("Rogers") to sell to Rogers its shares in its Hamilton-based cable operations, Mountain Cablevision Limited ("Mountain Cable"), grant to Rogers an option to acquire Shaw's spectrum licenses for advanced wireless service in British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Northern Ontario (the "Spectrum Licenses") and to purchase from Rogers its 33.3% partnership interest in the TVtropolis General Partnership ("TVtropolis")."

»www.marketwire.com/press-release···5530.htm