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Re: Start Communications - New Packages Rocca,
With Cogeco about to up their 55 package to 60, will you be following suit? |
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 roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | reply to dillyhammer
said by dillyhammer:Do you know if the foreseeable future holds anything above 2mbps upload on Cogeco? Yes it does, that's all I can say for now. |
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roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | reply to coaxguy
said by coaxguy:Rocca,
With Cogeco about to up their 55 package to 60, will you be following suit?
Yes, just waiting for confirmation on the timing. |
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 dillyhammerA. Good. Start.Premium,MVM
join:2010-01-09
Hamilton, ON
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said by rocca:said by dillyhammer:Do you know if the foreseeable future holds anything above 2mbps upload on Cogeco? Yes it does, that's all I can say for now. Excellent. I snuck in under the wire and grabbed your 30/2 package a day or two before it was deprecated. I think I'll just stay grampa'd in on that until something changes with the uploads. 30/2 is pretty darn snappy. But 60/4 is REALLY appealing. Maybe we'll get lucky with the CRTC coming to their senses on capacity charges and we'll get an unlimited option. I'd be down for some of that.
Mike
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roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | said by dillyhammer: Maybe we'll get lucky with the CRTC coming to their senses on capacity charges and we'll get an unlimited option. I'd be down for some of that. Here here to that.  |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
join:2009-06-15
START&Cogeco
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4 edits | reply to dillyhammer
said by dillyhammer:[....I snuck in under the wire and grabbed your 30/2 package a day or two before it was deprecated.
I think I'll just stay grampa'd in on that until something changes with the uploads.
30/2 is pretty darn snappy....
I offer my sincere Congrats on your becoming a Grandpa ! 
And yes, 30/2 is rather BRISK.
So does this mean that you lucked out and got 30/2/400 for the old price ?
Oddly enough (from SOME folks' perspectives), I don't think I'm anywhere NEAR the cap on my Gramp'd 20/1.5/300 service, so am actually considering START's latest 20/1.5/150 plan, for ten bucks LESS per month than the ($50 net net) that I pay now.
And if I decide later that the 150 cap is too tight, I could still move back up to their now new 30/2/250 plan for the currently posted same price as what I had already been paying for their Gramp'd 20/1.5/300 tier, which would itself be not a bad tradeoff either for some folks - i.e. the faster speed for the 50 less GB.
BTW, unless there's been a recent change to this tier, the open rate for GOUGEco's 30/2/175 retail service remains at $70 net, including a modem, which still is $15 net more than START's new 30/2/250 with a modem added on, AND with 75 less GB of monthly usage, and a stiffer UBB.
Another nice thing, from a tech PoV, is that I do not need to change modems, as my D3 rental is supported by all of these plans. |
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I am in the Red territory. If I see on my cable modem signal status page only [3] QPSK and [5] 16QAM for Upstream Modulation (in all 4 channels) will I be able to get the 45/4 speeds? Downstream is QAM256 (4 channels). The modem is SB6120 1.0.6.1.
It seems Rogers allows two public IPs per customer. Will I be able to get two IPs with Start? |
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| You will. (Both Speeds + IPs) if there is no local node congestion
16QAM is modulation for my modem \ connections as well. |
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said by rocca:said by dillyhammer: Maybe we'll get lucky with the CRTC coming to their senses on capacity charges and we'll get an unlimited option. I'd be down for some of that. Here here to that. With some creative accounting and activity/cost restructuring to optimize admissible charges/costs, I would not be surprised if phase-II rates for at least Bell/Rogers/Videotron and maybe Cogeco still ended over $10k/Gbps.
If they cost lots of internal stuff as-new, they may even be able to crank it to $20k/Gbps.
So I won't be holding my breath. |
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| I was about to switch from Teksavvy DSL for Start cable until they lowered the caps, I missed out on the 300gb plan so now I might go to distrubutel since I hover around 260gb a month due to netflix.
Cannot recall if Distributel is on aggregate or not but it may be the only safe option until I see what the market does. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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said by rocca:The new packages are now available....
....The Cogeco speeds for Basic and the upload speeds are expected to change shortly once it goes through the tariffing process.
It is not anticipated at this time that those changes will impact the new package pricing....
Nonetheless, has START considered simply subbing the speeds of the OLD Standard plan into the NEW Basic plan, but with 150GB/month ?
That would not require waiting for a tariff, would it ? (any new upload speeds of course would)
That's essentially what was done with each of the other plans for Cogeco-Land - shove each tier's speeds down into the next lower name, and adjust the cap somewhat. |
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kudos:2 | Ye, I'd also like to see that.
For example, in Cogeco Territory:
Advance Cable 30 Mbps
$49.95 250 GB
$59.95 350 GB
$69.95 400 GB
If there are blocks to be able to choose from that'd be great! |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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2 edits | said by Guru:For example, in Cogeco Territory :
Advance Cable (30 Mbps) :
$49.95 250 GB
$59.95 350 GB
$69.95 400 GB
If there are blocks to be able to choose from, that'd be great!
(I realize that you were not replying to MY last post, but)
Did you not mean 450 GB (or more) for your last line ?
Or, the other way to look at it would be $10 extra for each extra 100 GB, the way you seemed to be heading with your table.
That would translate into blocks priced at the equivalent of 10 cents per extra GB, which would not be too crazy, IMNSHO. |
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roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | said by Davesnothere:That would translate into blocks priced at the equivalent of 10 cents per extra GB, which would not be too crazy, IMNSHO. Unfortunately 10 cents is not sustainable in Cogeco areas right now. |
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| said by rocca:said by Davesnothere:That would translate into blocks priced at the equivalent of 10 cents per extra GB, which would not be too crazy, IMNSHO. Unfortunately 10 cents is not sustainable in Cogeco areas right now. How about in Rogers areas? |
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roccaStart.caPremium
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London, ON
kudos:11 | said by JCohen:said by rocca:said by Davesnothere:That would translate into blocks priced at the equivalent of 10 cents per extra GB, which would not be too crazy, IMNSHO. Unfortunately 10 cents is not sustainable in Cogeco areas right now. How about in Rogers areas? Still the wrong side of positive, just not by quite as much. My expectation is that we'll have the ability to offer higher usage packages after the CRTC decision comes out. |
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| said by rocca:Still the wrong side of positive, just not by quite as much. My expectation is that we'll have the ability to offer higher usage packages after the CRTC decision comes out.
I'm looking forward to that. Is it possible for Start to offer some usage blocks that cost a less than $0.50/GB for when the usage meter is released in the Rogers area? |
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roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | said by JCohen:I'm looking forward to that. Is it possible for Start to offer some usage blocks that cost a less than $0.50/GB for when the usage meter is released in the Rogers area? I would be very surprised it they had to stay at that level. |
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roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | said by rocca:I would be very surprised it they had to stay at that level. Hmm, quoting myself.
Here's my quick take on the capacity rates:
When the capacity rates were set they essentially made the service revenue neutral (ie reasonable circuit prices, therefore to get the same overall cost as disaggregated the capacity rate would have to be higher than it should be) I believe this was done with the best intentions to start moving forward and enable providers to start using it while minimizing the risk to the incumbent and cable companies with this very new model since the revenue to them was pretty much the same. What was overlooked was the fact that peak average usage per customer is growing 50% a year so by the time the decision came out the company revenues had already been significantly increased and that continues every month. When the part that is so wrong is the one that increases every month it means the revenue to cost ratio becomes increasingly disproportional.
I believe there has been a change at the Commission that is less about protecting telco/cable high profit margins and more about ensuring competition with fair wholesale access rates. During this R&V I think the Commission asked some great questions that show them questioning the numbers, formulas and methodologies that the companies used for determining their original rates. I am optimistic that we'll see some new rates that enable higher caps, perhaps unlimited as well as options for things like usage blocks at reasonable rates.
Without a significant correction on the capacity rate things don't look good for IPTV in Canada. |
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