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Atticka

join:2001-11-26
Montreal, QC
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reply to oh LOOK

Re: New Quebec Class Action against Bell, Rogers, Telus, Fido

Side note about incurring roaming charges...

Although you may have data service turned off with your service, you also have to make sure the data roaming feature turned off on your phone.

A co-worker recently received a bill for $1200 (~120Mb of data over three days in the US). He tried to argue with Rogers that since his data option was turned off at the co. he shouldn't be charged. The problem however was that his phone still had data roaming "on" and AT&T simply connected him and charged Rogers for his data usage.

LostTheGame

join:2012-11-24
Ottawa, ON
That's what I'm not seeing here; no one speaking of the cost levied on the Telcos by the international carriers


Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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said by LostTheGame:

That's what I'm not seeing here; no one speaking of the cost levied on the Telcos by the international carriers

They have mutual agreements. Yes, AT&T is charging Rogers an obscene per-minute rate, but Rogers is charging AT&T an obscene per-minute rate in return. Why? Because they both get massively inflated profit from this.

The typical excuse from Rogers (and I'm using them as an example here) is "Oh, we're not overcharging, that's what we're paying to AT&T". Yeah, well, that's because Rogers negotiated that rate.

Compare the roaming rate for Fido prepaid in the US, $2.00 per minute.

Compare this to Public Mobile roaming in the US, $0.15 per minute.

Why is Public Mobile so much lower? Because they didn't sign a mutual-overcharging agreement like Rogers did.

Data is similar. Fido seems to have removed data roaming entirely unless you buy a data roaming pass, but compare the fact that the pass starts at $2.50/MB and goes down to $0.20/MB depending on how much you buy. There's no reason they couldn't be charging $0.20/MB for any roaming data usage. It's still insanely expensive, but it'd be a heck of a lot more reasonable. Not long ago, using a gigabyte of data while roaming would cost you $30,000. At $0.20/MB, they would be down to $200. It's progress, at least. Or it would be, if they didn't make it hard to get.
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Gone
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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said by Guspaz:

but Rogers is charging AT&T an obscene per-minute rate in return. Why? Because they both get massively inflated profit from this.

If you think AT&T is taking a loss on the 35 cent/minute Canadian roaming they charge their customers compared to the $1.45 it costs a Rogers customer here to roam in the US, you've got another thing coming.

Furthermore, if you think Rogers is paying more, not less, than Public Mobile to their American partners for roaming, you're also off your rocker. Rogers obviously pays less on volume alone. Everything extra is pure profit thanks to the lack of realistic competition in this country and to think anything otherwise is beyond naive.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:

Compare the roaming rate for Fido prepaid in the US, $2.00 per minute.

Pretty ridiculous compared to the $0.25/min it used to be when I originally started using Fido 12 years ago. Back then, even prepaid was billed by-the-second and $10 vouchers extended expiry by 60 days.

It is pretty sad how much worse they have gotten since then.

At least we have hope that IP messaging and VoIP will eventually put enough pressure on carriers to force a sanity check on SMS and voice rates.