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The Mongoose
join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON

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Re: New speeds Rogers cable - Teksavvy watch out

said by jmck:

agreed, it's impossible to actually upload any decent data these days with 1mbit. I'm going to be cancelling and placing an order with Start and I'll even jump up to the 45/4 package for the extra 1mbit upload. previously that package didn't make much sense since all you got was an extra 3-4mbit downstream and same upstream.

I'm going to wait it out and give TSI a chance to get these speeds, but I get your decision. If you don't mind, please drop back in and let me/us know how the new 45/4 is running. Good luck!
bt
join:2009-02-26
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said by The Mongoose:

said by jmck:

agreed, it's impossible to actually upload any decent data these days with 1mbit. I'm going to be cancelling and placing an order with Start and I'll even jump up to the 45/4 package for the extra 1mbit upload. previously that package didn't make much sense since all you got was an extra 3-4mbit downstream and same upstream.

I'm going to wait it out and give TSI a chance to get these speeds

TSI won't get 45/4 until they switch to aggregated, as 32/1 wasn't available to them either.

jmck
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I won't actually switch for another ~2 weeks since my TSI monthly service was just renewed on the 10th. Also moving from one TPIA to another means you can also waive the installation fee, moving between providers should be as simple as waiting for Rogers to change your modem's registration on the switch day.

It does take 10 days to do a TPIA move without having to pay the install tho.
The Mongoose
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said by bt:

said by The Mongoose:

said by jmck:

agreed, it's impossible to actually upload any decent data these days with 1mbit. I'm going to be cancelling and placing an order with Start and I'll even jump up to the 45/4 package for the extra 1mbit upload. previously that package didn't make much sense since all you got was an extra 3-4mbit downstream and same upstream.

I'm going to wait it out and give TSI a chance to get these speeds

TSI won't get 45/4 until they switch to aggregated, as 32/1 wasn't available to them either.

True. I am hoping for the free upgrade to 35/3 under speed-matching, if the CRTC mandates it. 45/4 can come later.
geokilla
join:2010-10-04
North York, ON

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Teksavvy could have avoided all this by choosing to prep for the move to APOI. But they chose not to and continued to upgrade their IPOI. Yes it's expensive to make the switch, but you have to switch sooner or later, so why not do it sooner?
resa1983
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said by geokilla:

Teksavvy could have avoided all this by choosing to prep for the move to APOI. But they chose not to and continued to upgrade their IPOI. Yes it's expensive to make the switch, but you have to switch sooner or later, so why not do it sooner?

They're prepping now. Teksavvy has posted that there were contract issues, and that there was infighting at Rogers regarding TSI's disagg vs agg issue.
bt
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said by geokilla:

Yes it's expensive to make the switch, but you have to switch sooner or later, so why not do it sooner?

Because they've got better margins on IPOI, and can better recoup the investments they've already made by sticking with IPOI in the short term.

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said by bt:

TSI won't get 45/4 until they switch to aggregated, as 32/1 wasn't available to them either.

I've sometimes seen suggestion that Teksavvy has chosen not to offer one speed tier that they have access to. They certainly don't have access to the 75/150 tier though. Kind of a moot point, of course. Even if it is by choice, they aren't going to change it before the switch to aggregated. Teksavvy won't do 45/4 until the fall at the earliest.

35/3 could be here soon though.

BACONATOR26
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Nepean, ON

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They do have access to the 75/2 tier on a non-aggregated basis as specified in the tariff, but they can barely sustain the POI link capacity as it is.
nitric
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I hope this gets answered soon. If they don't get the speeds I'll probably end up going to start. A 3-4 fold increase in upload speed is too much to pass up.

If Teksavvy at least gets the 35/3 I'll hang around but the speeds are just too damn good to pass up.
sethrocon3
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I agree with you here, I will stick around but my main concern right now is upload. I only heard about Start just now haha, so it seems like something worth considering.
geokilla
join:2010-10-04
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said by bt:

said by geokilla:

Yes it's expensive to make the switch, but you have to switch sooner or later, so why not do it sooner?

Because they've got better margins on IPOI, and can better recoup the investments they've already made by sticking with IPOI in the short term.

And in the long term, they pay more costs. Example I used in the other thread:

How? If I spend $50k to upgrade my IPOIs, then $200k to switch to APOI, why don't I just save that $50k and spend up to $250k to switch to APOI instead? I remember reading somewhere that the IPOI links currently used will all be useless when they switch to APOI.

Now I'm taking random numbers as an example and keeping it simple. Obviously there's more to it as resa said there were contractual obligations that had to be resolved. But it still baffles me. What you want is efficient spending of money, not inefficient.
Gami00
join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON

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said by geokilla:

And in the long term, they pay more costs. Example I used in the other thread:

How? If I spend $50k to upgrade my IPOIs, then $200k to switch to APOI, why don't I just save that $50k and spend up to $250k to switch to APOI instead? I remember reading somewhere that the IPOI links currently used will all be useless when they switch to APOI.

Now I'm taking random numbers as an example and keeping it simple. Obviously there's more to it as resa said there were contractual obligations that had to be resolved. But it still baffles me. What you want is efficient spending of money, not inefficient.

your example is worthless... since Tek did IPOI almost 2 years earlier then APOI came about.

their option two years ago, was to not have cable services.. or to have cable services and have customers on cable.
that's it.. those were the options..

fast forward to today.. they have existing IPOI investments. APOI is the only option to get going forward but they can still use IPOI and are force to go to APOI in x years time.. they are going to go to APOI right at the end of X years time..

They won't be adding anymore IPOI links as that is not sold anymore to them.

MJB33
join:2012-01-29

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Teksavvy needs to stop using the (Bell / Cogeco / Rogers / Videotron / Telus / Shaw) networks and build their own. The high costs that they have to pay the incumbents isp (capacity based billing) is increasing the cost of certain plans and eliminating unlimited internet access. They would be better off if they build and lay their own fiber /dsl/cable. Anything to get off the tail of incumbent isps that just want UBB/CBB for all Canadians.. and put the independents out of business
Gami00
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said by MJB33:

Teksavvy needs to stop using the (Bell / Cogeco / Rogers / Videotron / Telus / Shaw) networks and build their own. The high costs that they have to pay the incumbents isp (capacity based billing) is increasing the cost of certain plans and eliminating unlimited internet access. They would be better off if they build and lay their own fiber /dsl/cable. Anything to get off the tail of incumbent isps that just want UBB/CBB for all Canadians.. and put the independents out of business

This was already answer a long time ago by Rocky himself.. He mentioned that even if you had a few Billion dollars to wire up GTA, it would never actually happen.

the main issue being that most of the poles you would need to run your line through is NOT owned by the City.. Most are in fact owned by the Power Utilities Bell and Rogers.

From the Bell example alone, they would reject every engineering design to be re-check at a cost of $100k every validation, with 2 to 3 months delay per check per instance of where your wiring through.

now, if the city owned all the poles necessary to get to your residence. They could totally do the "4th wire" thing. And provide service via it.
The Mongoose
join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON

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said by MJB33:

Teksavvy needs to stop using the (Bell / Cogeco / Rogers / Videotron / Telus / Shaw) networks and build their own. The high costs that they have to pay the incumbents isp (capacity based billing) is increasing the cost of certain plans and eliminating unlimited internet access. They would be better off if they build and lay their own fiber /dsl/cable. Anything to get off the tail of incumbent isps that just want UBB/CBB for all Canadians.. and put the independents out of business

I'm sure if anyone has a few billion dollars to invest they'd be all ears.