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marigolds
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Re: Lawsuit anyone?

said by ConstantineM:

At the very least, the court can easily approve an injunction on Sprint offering their find-your-lost-phone service for any users in North Las Vegas area.

Also, it is entirely conceivable and reasonable to also move for an injunction that would prohibit the address in question from being served as the GPS address for 911 calls.

Also, how could Sprint not know what's going on? The code is deterministic, the people were there. If they can't figure out what's going on, it's purely because they're too lazy and don't care about this problem. So, sue them, then they'll talk.

It is not Sprint offering the service. It is third party groups using a combination of Sprint and 911 geolocation.

I suppose if the owner wanted to agree that he would receive no police services that the 2nd injunction could happen. I doubt he wants that though, since then he would not be able to get the police to his house when someone shows up at the door demanding their lost phone that their third party app says is there.
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ConstantineM

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What prohibits him from suing said third parties, or the app stores through which such apps are distributed? Besides, if all of these are Sprint users, it more sounds like it's an issue with some kind of service that Sprint offers directly.

Also, you're being very naive about the ways under which the location can be gathered during a 911 call. Nothing would preclude him from receiving police help if the above injunction of his address being GPS-blacklisted implemented at the 911 level.



marigolds
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said by ConstantineM:

What prohibits him from suing said third parties, or the app stores through which such apps are distributed? Besides, if all of these are Sprint users, it more sounds like it's an issue with some kind of service that Sprint offers directly.

Also, you're being very naive about the ways under which the location can be gathered during a 911 call. Nothing would preclude him from receiving police help if the above injunction of his address being GPS-blacklisted implemented at the 911 level.

They could easily go after the third party apps. The problem is the sheer number of such apps. It would be a game of whack-a-mole.

This is probably not only Sprint users affected. It is just only Sprint users showing up because of sheer numbers. Sprint, T-Mobile, Clear, and a handful of others tend to exhibit the same issues because of the tower networks and common handsets that they use. We have experienced this with text message delays for emergency alerts. But the issues always show up on Sprint first because of sheer numbers.

Odds are the issue is with tower triangulation and how it interacts with the geolocation API on certain phones when going through certain networks. Eliminate those phones or change those towers and you might solve it. Eliminating the geolocation API would break a wide swath of apps besides the tracker apps, but it would be the only real way to stop the tracker apps.

I work professionally with 911 GIS data. If an address is blacklisted from the system, that means that there is no police response to that location. This is -extremely- rare. The equivalent happens occasionally with VOIP numbers (which is the company failing to enroll at address after they switch to VoIP), and it does translate into no police response to the location of that number. Of course, you can give them the physical address over the phone instead, if you are able to do that.
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