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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:58:41 EDT

Trooper posted :

said by Dustyn:

said by Trooper:

I'm trying different av just about every other day.

Any Avira experts around here?

Thanks.

Mele20 has a lot of experience with it. Just check out her posting history on Avira.

May send her a PM. Thanks brother.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:13:08 EDT

Dustyn posted :

said by Trooper:

I'm trying different av just about every other day.

Any Avira experts around here?

Thanks.

Mele20 has a lot of experience with it. Just check out her posting history on Avira.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:57:11 EDT

Trooper posted :

said by slajoh01:

I still think that Enterprise versions of AV still beats any free versions or even payed AVs out there like Avast, Avira, NOD32 and etc...

Really? I have always found the opposite. Symantec Enterprise being especially crappy.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:41:02 EDT

slajoh01 posted : I still think that Enterprise versions of AV still beats any free versions or even payed AVs out there like Avast, Avira, NOD32 and etc...

Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 02 Feb 2013 02:52:49 EDT

Trooper posted :

said by Fickey:

said by Trooper:

...Any Avira experts around here?

»Avira Partners with Scareware and Sleazeware Vendors

I have the paid version, so no toolbar. I am aware of this whole deal, however their detection rates are still top notch in my opinion.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:55:02 EDT

Fickey posted :

said by Trooper:

...Any Avira experts around here?

»Avira Partners with Scareware and Sleazeware Vendors
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Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:09:46 EDT

Phoenix22 posted :

said by Trooper:

Hi folks,

I am curious what AV everyone is running these days. I am normally an Eset guy, but my license is going to expire soon. Would prefer something light and with good detection/cleanup capabilities.

I have used Avast in the past, and it was usually pretty good. Just a few fp's over the years.

I am hearing good things about BitDefender of late, and I still think Avira is pretty strong.

Looking for some recommendations for a Windows 7 machine running x64.

Thanks folks.

Cheers

P.S. Not sure if I am going to renew Eset, so looking for some insight.

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Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:46:26 EDT

Trooper posted : I'm trying different av just about every other day.

Any Avira experts around here?

Thanks.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:08:06 EDT

chrisretusn posted : I have quite a number of machines running a variety of operating systems, Linux, OS X, Haiku, eComStation and of course Windows. Only my Windows (three of them) installs have anti-virus installed. Two installs have Outpost Security Suite installed, the other has Microsoft Security Essentials installed.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:54:24 EDT

Sportscaster posted : December, 2009. I had powered up the computer and updated it about an hour after the bad definitions had been fixed, then found out that I had dodged a bullet: »blog.avast.com/2009/12/10/bad-de···-update/

There seems to be a more-recent problem with serious FP's on XP SP3, reported at »forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=110828.0

I have been fortunate with Avast so far, but under no illusions.

Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:31:53 EDT

cmexx posted : I do not use AV at all, prefer to set up all patches for OS, browser and plugins, and some other programs.
Never turn off the UAC-control - it's enough to be in safety.
For alarms about insecure bowsers or plugins use surfpatrol or qualys browsercheck - that is all.

Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:52:37 EDT

Trooper posted : Geez. Well hopefully something of this caliber does not happen again. Especially since I am currently running AIS lol.

Can anyone speak to its firewall capabilities?
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Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:49:52 EDT

MarkAW posted :

said by Trooper:

Just curious, how long ago did this happen?

December 2nd 2009
»False positive in Avast! or is it real?
and then again
April 11th 2011.
»Avast thinks dslr is trojan/malware ridden.....

Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:28:53 EDT

Trooper posted : That is really unfortunate. Something like that would leave a bad taste in my mouth as well. Just curious, how long ago did this happen?
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Re: What AV are you running?

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:36:01 EDT

La Luna posted : I remember that incident Mele. I had a similar experience with all those FP pop ups. Honestly, I can't remember what I did, but somehow, my computer escaped being trashed at least. Then I think they put out an update that fixed the issue, if I remember correctly.

I do remember being very scared as it was happening, had no clue what was wrong.

Re: What AV are you running?

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:07:20 EDT

Oleg posted : Avast! is the best :)

Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:22:49 EDT

Libra posted : Avast Free on Vista Desktop
Avast Free on Win7 64 bit Desktop
Avast Free on Win7 64 bit laptop

(along with Malwarebytes Anti-malware, SuperAntispyware, SpywareBlaster, and MVPS Hosts file and Windows Defender)

Sincerely, Libra

Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:42:43 EDT

Mele20 posted : That is incorrect. Not all AV have FP's in regards to CRITICAL SYSTEM FILES. Avast has repeatedly had this problem. The ONLY other AV that has this sort of history is Symantec. Some AV have no history of FPs on critical system files. Others (like Avira) have had one or two or so system files detected wrongly in the past 10 years and while those incidents made the news they did not wreck the sort of havoc that detecting 1000s of system files did with Avast. Avast holds the record for disastrous erroneous detection on system files of all AV and not just once but a second time after they promised it would never happen again.

People in this forum are blind fools since they have always been in love with either Symantec or Avast and have historically had very harsh criticism of anyone who tries to get them to see the truth about both.

Just wait until your computer is completely trashed by one of these two AV and then try and say "Shouldn't be a problem if you've configured your anti virus correctly to handle a potential false positive." You didn't bother to read my posts obviously because I had Avast correctly configured. IT DID NOT MATTER. Instead of doubting me, all of you should go to Avast forums and read the history of these incidents. There was almost NOTHING anyone could do to stop the widespread havoc and severe damage wrought more than once by Avast's detection of THOUSANDS OF FPs on CRITICAL SYSTEM FILES caused by tainted definitions.

Most folks have their AV set to quarantine detections. Avast quarantine is not large. There was NO way it could hold anywhere near 2000 or so files! So, quarantine filled up while the user was asleep, away from their computer (I guess you guys have your computers glued to your body and have an alarm set to go off if you dare sleep and your AV goes crazy then?) and once quarantine was full what did Avast do? It deleted ALL infected files thus rendering the computer unbootable and unfixable.

For those of us like myself, who had Avast set to IGNORE all detections but notify the user there was a detection, Avast ONLY DID THAT FOR A FEW FILES AND THEN IT BEGAN DELETING ALL THESE CRITICAL SYSTEM FILES. That seems fine to you guys? The user is not at the computer when the tainted definitions are automatically downloaded and installed (I guess Avast should not allow automatic download and installation?) so it is ok that Avast REFUSES to honor the user's settings? Why does Avast allow the user to adjust the settings if Avast is going to ignore them after the first few detections? I was lucky as I was sitting at the computer both times this fuck-up occurred so I started getting popups about the detections. I knew from the very first detection that it was a FP on a critical system file. I confirmed "ignore" to face another detection and then the detections came so fast that I was frantic. I will NEVER FORGET THAT HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE AND FEAR THAT AVAST WAS WRECKING MY COMPUTER. I was barely able to tread water as I tried to deal with each popup (over 200 detections rapid fire, one on top of another, before I had even one moment in which I was caught up and thus could disable Avast - you cannot disable while a detection popup is still sitting on your screen).

I was able to disable Avast only because I am not the naive fool that many are here and I did not allow Avast to protect itself against termination because I knew the time might come when I would need to have full and immediate control over Avast. I protected Avast on XP Pro in a much more sensible, safe way. I had Process Guard protect it. But most folks are too lazy to use a classic HIPS or they have Win 7/8 where Microsoft foolishly has made the OS more vulnerable, not less, because they made it difficult to have classic HIPS on these OSes. (Folks would rather accuse me of not having Avast set up correctly).

It was a disaster for Avast and rather telling that they had just gotten a new CEO from where....SYMANTEC. Yep, from the other AV that loves to attack critical system files. I forgave Avast and I actually believed that it wouldn't happen again after all the apologies (Avast had even been so remiss as to never have given forum moderators an emergency contact number. I went to the forum as soon as I had Avast finally disabled and already the reports of disaster were pouring in from all over the world. But with no way to contact Avast (it was middle of the night in Europe), Avast slept for five more hours before they learned what had happened.

After all the apologies and reassurances that Avast had completely revamped its policies, etc. it happened again. I forgave once, but only a fool would do so again as it showed many of their promises of radical reform were empty. (Yet I did try GData very briefly recently - it uses Avast as one of its engines). Avast never ever revamped their settings so you guys should stop being critical of anyone who had settings that Avast approves of. EVERYONE who got the tainted definitions, on two separate occasions, were seriously affected. Stop trying to equate ONE FP (even if on a critical system file) with 1000's of FP's on the majority of critical system files. They are not in the same ballpark and you guys should know this.

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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:50:31 EDT

Dustyn posted :

said by MarkAW:

said by Mele20:

It has been proven over and over by Avast themselves. They have had to apologize repeatedly to their users for all the damage they have done on several occasions where many computers were wrecked by their crappy definitions.

Exactly. It happens.
Shouldn't be a problem if you've configured your anti virus correctly to handle a potential false positive.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:48:10 EDT

Dustyn posted :

said by Trooper:

I may end up going to Avast or Avira. Not sure which is better these days as they are both great av's. Had a problem on the kids laptop last night with NIS. Rendered the computer unusable. :(

What say you?

Yikes!
So what was the moral of the story? :p ;)
For now I am standing firm on waiting until Symantec cleans up NIS 2013.
They've just recently come out with one decent large patch that addresses a lot of the communitys concerns with this product. I'll wait for at least another one before deployment.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:04:25 EDT

jaykaykay posted : I forgot one piece I use, along with others, Prevx. Their link says that they do all things, include act as an AV: Prevx 3.0 will detect, remove, and protect you from all forms of malicious threat - including Viruses, Spyware, Adware, Rootkits, Trojans, Worms, Keyloggers, Bots, and more... But again, this program is just one of a layer, not used alone.

Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:37:31 EDT

battlesite posted : I've been using Norton 360 for a couple of years. I have no complaints.

I do it now because it's usually either free or maybe $10 after rebates each year. I find the rebate submission process a bit of a pain in the rear but not a deal killer.

If there is any kind of bloatware issue slowing down my computer I wouldn't know about it. My computer seems to function well enough but I'm not the most tech-savvy guy in the world so I don't know how to check for a problem with that.

My Norton AV just expired today so I'm on my way to buy a new one. Like I said, it will be $10 after rebates. I can get other AV's on sale but I don't see a reason to.

One of my main philosophies to follow is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Edit: I'm running Windows 7 on a one-year-old fairly low-priced ($450 range) Gateway computer with 14 gigs of RAM.

Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:47:53 EDT

Sportscaster posted : I have experienced about 1-2 FP's/year with Avast, and 1 FP with MSE in 1 year's use. None of the FP's I had were serious.

I had more trouble with Norton (paid) in 2002-4 than with all of the free AV's combined. Although I have heard that Norton has improved its product and my ISP makes it available free to its customers, I have not been eager to try it again.

Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:56:48 EDT

MarkAW posted :

said by Mele20:

Name one AV that hasn't done the same thing with a def update over the years they have been around. If this is your reasoning then i'd have to say it's weak since Avast isn't the only AV out there that has done what you say with def updates.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:52:08 EDT

NetFixer posted : For my Windows based workstations, I currently use MSE combined with ThreatFire. I used the Comcast supplied Norton™ Business Suite for a while, but it crashed so often on several of the Windows boxes, that it was more trouble than it was worth (and in this case it was "free").

On my Linux and Windows servers, I run ClamAv/ClamWin because of their easy integration with the email servers I run on those boxes. I also run ThreatFire on the Windows server, but I don't see the need for any such product on the Linux server.

My most important "AV" isn't actually an "AV" product; it is using SeaMonkey as my default/primary browser, combined with NoScript. And of course, using both hardware and software firewalls for blocking true "drive-by" attacks. If it can't get through the door, you don't have to worry about cleaning up the mess after you kill it.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:55:21 EDT

Trooper posted : What FP's did you have Mele? To date, I have not had any. Used to run Avast at my job as well and never had any. So either a lot of us have lucked out, or something in your setup was throwing up a fp (which happens). Of recent times, the av that I have had the most FP's with is WSA. Thankfully it has done nothing dentrimental to any of my systems or the ones that I have to support.

FYI I even run Avast on my Exchange 2010 server at work. No issues.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:59:00 EDT

Mele20 posted : It has been proven over and over by Avast themselves. They have had to apologize repeatedly to their users for all the damage they have done on several occasions where many computers were wrecked by their crappy definitions. I experienced all three incidents. Only because I was on the computer when the new definitions were downloaded and installed, and then the havoc immediately began, was I able to keep (through a lot of scary, hard work) Avast from bricking my computer which is what happened to a lot of computers. It would be awful enough if that had happened only one time but even after public, profuse apologies from Avast CEO and the forum mods that it would never happen again...it did about a year later. Avast had not followed through on any of their promises.

Besides the major incidents, I had Avast constantly finding FPs. Just recently, I wanted to trial GData. Before I could even get it updated, after installing it, the Avast engine found an FP...not the Bit Defender engine...the Avast one and the FP was complained about in Avast forums. Avira also was guilty of lots of FPs. When I first got Avira, there were 40 detections ALL FP's. I couldn't run full scans and I never could run full scans with Avast either because of all the FP's.

I like Windows Defender because of very few FPs and no history of serious wrecking of many computers world wide because of FPs (Avira fairly recently wrecked computers world wide with FPs on critical system files so it is not just Avast with a serious FP problem). The trade off, of course, being that Avast can boast high detection rates (but you pay for that with the severe problems caused by a lot of FP's which are necessary to achieve the high detection rates). Windows Defender doesn't have hardly any FP's but the consequence of that is lower detection rates. Apparently, the vendors are unable to have high detection rates and almost no FPs (especially no FP's on critical system files).
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:26:01 EDT

MarkAW posted :

said by Mele20:

Avast has been notorious for extremely high number of FPs. TWICE in the past few years they have totally wrecked many computers all over the world. I don't understand why anyone would use it. It is far better to use an AV with low FP rate even if that means they don't detect everything. You should be using layered security anyway, and first and foremost always practicing safe hex and thus you do not need to take the tremendous risks that an AV with a high number of FP's presents.

What you should say is, in your opinion Avast has been notorious for extremely high number of FPs. With all the people here and around world as you put it that use Avast we all can't be wrong about it.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:23:03 EDT

Mele20 posted : Avast has been notorious for extremely high number of FPs. TWICE in the past few years they have totally wrecked many computers all over the world. I don't understand why anyone would use it. It is far better to use an AV with low FP rate even if that means they don't detect everything. You should be using layered security anyway, and first and foremost always practicing safe hex and thus you do not need to take the tremendous risks that an AV with a high number of FP's presents.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:41:45 EDT

Sportscaster posted : Avast free, been using it for 6 years on 2 laptops, very light on resources and only rare FP's.

Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:22:31 EDT

lilhurricane posted : Avast

Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:56:46 EDT

anon posted : Bullguard2013, it's fast, uses 4 engines. Bit Defender, Commtouch, Novashield, BGuard. Very effective product.

Re: What AV are you running?

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:42:25 EDT

antdude posted : »Security seriously need to be updated too!

Re: What AV are you running?

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:53:58 EDT

Indy Sabre posted : I use Avast free and MS Security essentials on several PCs.

I like Avast for config options and Boot time scan option but MSSE is very easy to install and not have to mess with.

Re: What AV are you running?

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:44:13 EDT

Woody79_00 posted : Im running Vipre 2013..i like it because its lightweight, and I got a 3 year sub very cheap.

I rely more on Software Resttiction Polices then Anti-Virus anyways, but it doesn't hurt to run one just in case I guess. :)

Re: What AV are you running?

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:28:08 EDT

Trooper posted : I may end up going to Avast or Avira. Not sure which is better these days as they are both great av's. Had a problem on the kids laptop last night with NIS. Rendered the computer unusable. :(

What say you?
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Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:14:32 EDT

knarf829 posted : Avast Free on two Win 7 and one Win 8 machines.

(Don't discount the importance of something like a FireFox "No Script" add-in, either. Probably does more to keep me out of trouble than AV could.)

Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:24:13 EDT

SherriBabee posted : AVAST for years now and Love it :)

Re: What AV are you running?

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:17:08 EDT

gugarci posted :

said by Trooper:

said by Babar:

Emsisoft Anti-Malware on the main box, MSE on the others.

I assume that EAM is not "heavy" any more? I've run it in the past it, but it always just felt heavy on any system I've run it on. What are your specs?

I use EAM on 2 i7 PC's and I also have it installed in an old 3.2 GHz P4. Not slowing down any of my PC's. The only program that slows down this old desktop a bit is Online Armor.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:17:28 EDT

MagMan posted :

said by Trooper:

Still surprised to see NIS showing strong here.

What do you guys think of the community based trust thing for apps? Not sure that I am digging it. Would rather be alerted to outbound traffic. What about you?

Set the automatic program control to off.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:16:11 EDT

Trooper posted : Still surprised to see NIS showing strong here.

What do you guys think of the community based trust thing for apps? Not sure that I am digging it. Would rather be alerted to outbound traffic. What about you?
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Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:27:01 EDT

pokesph posted : Win XP Workstation = NAV2013
Win XP laptop = NAV2013
Win 7 pro 64bit media dev = MS Security Essentials
Win 7 pro 64bit Gaming rig = MS Security Essentials

HTC evo 4 phone = none

5x common sense and good internet practices.

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Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:28:05 EDT

Aranarth posted : AVG Free along with Winpatrol and OpenDNS.
Usual windows firewall along with the firewall/nat on the modem router.

Re: What AV are you running?

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:24:38 EDT

runnoft posted : NIS for Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 7 32-bit, and Windows 8 64-bit. No problems. Norton/Symantec got and richly earned IMO a reputation for hogging system resources and using annoying nags which led me to switch to Kaspersky about seven years ago, but then Kaspersky started having an array of problems and I tried Norton again and have been much happier with it. If you haven't tried Norton lately, they are much better about not hogging resources and operating efficiently in the background without nagging you than they used to be.

Re: What AV are you running?

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:01:03 EDT

Trooper posted : I'd be curious. I will say that I have not run EAM for probably a year, so maybe they fixed that up in the newest version.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:48:48 EDT

Babar posted :

said by Trooper:

I assume that EAM is not "heavy" any more? ... What are your specs?

I don't find it heavy at all. For instance, the background guard is using just 268K of RAM right now.

I'm running an i5-750 on a P55 mobo with 4GB of RAM.

Now that you've got me thinking about it, I'll run for a while tomorrow with it off and see if I notice a difference.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:51:59 EDT

Trooper posted :

said by Babar:

Emsisoft Anti-Malware on the main box, MSE on the others.

I assume that EAM is not "heavy" any more? I've run it in the past it, but it always just felt heavy on any system I've run it on. What are your specs?
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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:22:41 EDT

pizz posted : I use MSE and MWB Paid. I would like to buy Vipre, but I'm wondering if anyone on these forums use/used it.

Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:30:54 EDT

Babar posted : Emsisoft Anti-Malware on the main box, MSE on the others.
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Re: What AV are you running?

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:07:17 EDT

Trooper posted :

said by Dustyn:

When it was released it was a mess. It came out of BETA far too early and most of the user contributed feedback that went into the BETA development of the product was either ignored or not implemented in time for the RTM. I see they have released an updated version... but you have to speak with Tim_Lopez via e-mail in order to get it. At any rate, NIS 2012 is solid for myself on Windows 7 64-bit.
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Thanks for the information man.

Well, I decided to try NIS 2013 based upon positive feedback here. I have not run Norton/Symantec products in 10+ years. I said back then that I would NEVER run any of their products, I switched to Eset and never looked back. Well, until recently.

So I installed 2013 and it felt clunky. A few reboots later it was a bit better, but Live Update kept failing. After some research it appeared I was not alone, so I uninstalled NIS 2013 using the Norton uninstall tool and then installed NIS 2012. Was running good and Live Update was fine.

But due to curiosity and encouragement from a member over at Wilders, I decided to give 2013 another go. To my surprise, everything is running smooth and Live Update is working just fine. I can say that NIS 2013 is definitely lighter than 2012 and am surprised at what I am seeing by Symantec.

Moral of this story?

Never say never. :)

Please keep discussion ongoing as I like to chat about this kind of stuff anyways. As for the patch you linked me to, I don't feel I need it as this point in time so will wait until it hits me with their phased rollout process.

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