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screavan

join:2012-11-27
Pearcy, AR

[WIN8] Reminder Windows 8 Users who miss start

Just a reminder for those who use Windows 8 and miss the classic start menu (me) there is a free / open source solution out there: »www.classicshell.net/ It does just what I need without losing all the extra stuff I like.

Gem
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Yes, it works well for most things you need to do.

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to screavan
I used Classic Shell on Win 7 beta and liked it very much as it gave back XP Start and deleted the bloated, sluggish look of Win 7 which I hated. But for Win 8, I really like Start8 from Stardock even if it does cost $5.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


QuaffAPint
A Big Thanks To The Troops

join:2001-01-10
Downingtown, PA
said by Mele20:

I used Classic Shell on Win 7 beta and liked it very much as it gave back XP Start and deleted the bloated, sluggish look of Win 7 which I hated. But for Win 8, I really like Start8 from Stardock even if it does cost $5.

Out of curiosity, what does Start8 give you that ClassicShell doesn't? I just checked it out and it seems like the same thing.


HolmanGT
HolmanGT
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join:2001-11-20
Washington, UT

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I haven't tried ClassicShell but I just installed Start8. I chose Start8 because it does just the part that was really bugging me, "No Start Menu".

I figured that simpler was less likely to give me problems, compatibility problems.

I looked at ClassicShell and it does a whole lot more than Start8. All of which looked pretty cool... but as I said, I thought I would start with vanilla to be on the safe side.

PS - so far Start8 has not given me any problems!!!

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to QuaffAPint
HolmanGT is right. Start8 is much simpler than Classic Shell so less chance of problems and Start8 fixes what was bothering me the most about Win 8. Plus, Stardock knows how to make a product of this nature free of serious problems or even minor ones. So, I feel comfortable with it.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


workablob

join:2004-06-09
Houston, TX
kudos:4
reply to QuaffAPint
I tried ClassicShell first but after trying Start8 I ponied up the 5 bux for it.

The Windows 7 look and feel is much better with Start8 IMHO.

Dave
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I may have been born yesterday. But it wasn't at night.


Grethor
Today Is A Good Day To Format

join:2004-04-14
Tacoma, WA
reply to screavan
I tried classic shell for a while but it crashed a lot according to the reliability monitor. Paid the 5 for start 8 a d LOVE it.


vukodlak75
Nisam Ti Dude
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join:2001-10-27
Willoughby, OH
I use Classic Shell with a Windows 7 (start menu) skin on my Win8 machine:
»www.askvg.com/download-classic-s···ndows-8/
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QuaffAPint
A Big Thanks To The Troops

join:2001-01-10
Downingtown, PA
reply to screavan
I haven't had any problems with classic shell on Win8. Regardless, seems ridiculous that we need a third party tool for something like this.

Seems like Win8 is the Vista of this release generation.


HolmanGT
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Washington, UT
QuaffAPint,

"Vista"... of this release. IMHO you are being very generous in your opinion.

For me Win-8 works and the only bugs I have found I believe are due to my hardware. That said I haven't found any real problems with Win-8 in my opinion because I can't find anything to mess with. Everything is buried so far down unless you find a "Tip" somewhere you ain't never going to find any of the good stuff. I won't even mention the dumb Metro screen.

I don't know what M$'s ultimate goal is for Win-8 but after using it for about a month with no start button all I can think to say is what a piece of Junk.

If it wasn't for the pointer to "Start8" which allows me to boot into the "DeskTop Screen" and have a "Start Button" I would be on my way back to Costco for an exchange to a Win7 laptop.

M$, if you are listening - "What the Hell were you guys/gals thinking" during the design phase of windows-8?

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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Installing God Mode will help with finding the buried stuff that should not be so buried. It has been worse for me coming from XP Pro and trying to find things that were so quickly accessible in XP and are so buried in Win 8.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


HolmanGT
HolmanGT
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Mele,

I have heard of the "God Mode". Can you tell me how to turn it on?

(something about the sound of that appeals to me - )

Regards,

PS - Sorry that my last post kind of turned into a rant.

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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Create a new folder on your desktop. Place the following string in its name:

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

Hit Enter and the icon will automatically change to look sort of llke classic windows control panel.

"Ranting" about Win 8 is fine. I've done my share! But Start8 has made me feel much better ...then there is the problem of secureboot though that nothing will fix on a Dell except reinstalling Win 8 in legacy mode or downgrading to Win 7 pro.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


HolmanGT
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Washington, UT
Mele,

Thank you much!

Between my new status as "God" and Start8 I feel like opening a bottle of champagne to celebrate.

But I still think M$ was high on something when they dreamed up Win8 and I am not talking about champagne.

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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LOL. I think you are right about Microsoft being high on "something" but not a nice something like champagne. They chose to throw desktop users under the bus and history will show if that was a sound decision or a disastrous one.

Even with GodMode, I can't access some things easily like I could if, for instance, I had a My Computer icon on the desktop. I was so flummoxed by Metro, etc that only very recently did I notice Event Viewer entries regarding automatic sending of error reports to Microsoft and automatic actions being taken. Setting Windows to not automatically reboot when there is a problem, but instead display a STOP error, and ASK ME about sending an error report to Microsoft, is something I would ordinarily fix right away with a new machine but I was preoccupied with Metro and no Start, etc and didn't even think about it until recently.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


DarkSithPro

join:2005-02-12
Tempe, AZ
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reply to screavan
So if I get Windows 8 I have to install a 3rd party program to get Windows 7 start button functionality? That makes no sense at all...


plencnerb
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said by DarkSithPro:

So if I get Windows 8 I have to install a 3rd party program to get Windows 7 start button functionality? That makes no sense at all...

I know I was not happy with the new interface, but I have started using it more and more, and I actually like it.

Not saying everyone must be happy with the new interface. There are options out there as has been shown in this thread.

But, in answer to your question, if you want to go back to the look/feel of the "start menu" that was in Windows 7, you cannot do that without a 3rd party tool installed inside of Windows 8.

--Brian
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DarkSithPro

join:2005-02-12
Tempe, AZ
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said by plencnerb:

said by DarkSithPro:

So if I get Windows 8 I have to install a 3rd party program to get Windows 7 start button functionality? That makes no sense at all...

I know I was not happy with the new interface, but I have started using it more and more, and I actually like it.

Not saying everyone must be happy with the new interface. There are options out there as has been shown in this thread.

But, in answer to your question, if you want to go back to the look/feel of the "start menu" that was in Windows 7, you cannot do that without a 3rd party tool installed inside of Windows 8.

--Brian

From the videos on youtube and reviews, it loads faster, turns on faster, shuts down faster, runs games faster due to DX 11.1 and has better memory management. Just not too sure if I want a desktop OS that wants to be a tablet interface and a desktop interface at the same time. Is it true when you load the tile apps it's running them separately from the identical desktop app? Well the decision has to be made before the 31st. paying 40 bucks for an 8 pro is a no brainer than paying 200...

KoRnGtL15
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reply to screavan
Start8 is king of the hill and feels like it is part of the os.

Mele20
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reply to plencnerb
said by plencnerb:

Not saying everyone must be happy with the new interface. There are options out there as has been shown in this thread.

But, in answer to your question, if you want to go back to the look/feel of the "start menu" that was in Windows 7, you cannot do that without a 3rd party tool installed inside of Windows 8.

--Brian

Actually, start button missing was not the thing that really bothered me on Win 8. I was able to get used to it missing. What drove me nuts before Start8 was that when I was trying to grab the right side vertical scroll bar with the mouse (which is how I "scroll" usually) or I just had my hand on the mouse, and idly moved the mouse slightly, up would pop this gigantic black background clock and the charms bar. That was really irritating.

Plus, the charms bar is stupid...really stupid and having to position the mouse EXACTLY in a very specific place (lower left corner was particularly bad what with several things that could happen depending on VERY PRECISE placement of the mouse) in order to get a right click menu or something else also bugged me. Having to call the Charms bar, then bring up Services on it, then bring up Power Options, and then finally be able to shut down or reboot wasn't as irritating maybe because I usually seldom reboot and almost never shut down.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Mele20
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reply to DarkSithPro
said by DarkSithPro:

From the videos on youtube and reviews, it loads faster, turns on faster, shuts down faster, runs games faster due to DX 11.1 and has better memory management. Just not too sure if I want a desktop OS that wants to be a tablet interface and a desktop interface at the same time. Is it true when you load the tile apps it's running them separately from the identical desktop app? Well the decision has to be made before the 31st. paying 40 bucks for an 8 pro is a no brainer than paying 200...

Yep. All those things are true....the good and the dumb. Metro devices are run separately from Desktop ones. There are two IE 10's. The Metro IE runs full screen and has limitations not on the desktop IE. Also, if UAC manages to drive you nuts and I thought (after more than two months of using it while running as Admin) that it is worse in Win 8 than in Vista (I didn't have Win 7 except for three months of the public beta) then you may have to do what I ended up doing about two weeks ago. I read a lot about users complaining that Windows 8 does not recognize an Admiin account as such (most of them had Win 7 earlier and said it was not like that). Finally, I did what was recommended and I disabled a specific key in the registry that controls UAC. I never had to do that on Vista. But not being prompted to elevate on Win 8 and not realizing that even though I was using an Admin account that most every program would still need more elevation and many will not prompt for it, thus the programs not working properly or some, like HostsMan and Ping Plotter Pro, not working at all, I did the Registry fix.

Microsoft has it set up so that if you turn off that Registry key then NO Metro apps will work. Even Microsoft store will be inaccessible and it is not accessible from the internet just from Metro. But I did the Registry fix anyway. All programs are on Desktop. I don't need to access programs via Metro. If I ever do want to then I can reverse the Registry fix. I had already uninstalled most of the Metro apps. I really hope Microsoft will issue a service pack that will allow desktop users to be on the Desktop all the time instead of having to deal with an OS that has a split personality.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


Woody79_00
I run Linux am I still a PC?
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join:2004-07-08
united state
reply to screavan
Just to toss this out there, but StartIsBack is probably the best Start Menu add-on for Windows 8.

Why?

Simple because IT IS THE WINDOWS 7 START MENU MICROSOFT DESIGNED THEMSELVES. THE ONE MICROSOFT DISABLED THE REGISTRY HACK FOR DURING THE WINDOWS 8 BETA

in other words, StartisBack is first party code. All StartIsBack does is inject code into Explorer.exe that re-enabled the Native Windows 7 start menu that Microsoft disabled during the Windows 8 beta.

StartIsBack is also cheaper then Start8....
»www.startisback.com/

You want the "real" start menu back...the same start Menu from Windows 7, then you install StartIsBack plain and simple

please note: I personally like the Metro screen, i have no use for a Start menu..as i have gotten use to it, but i figured this may be helpful for others.

Mele20
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None of the buttons work on that site. I can't read the FAQ, or download it, or see how much it costs. This is on Fx 10.0.12 ESR.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


Woody79_00
I run Linux am I still a PC?
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united state
strange...it works fine here on Firefox and IE10.

I guess try the site in IE10.

If your a big fan of the Start menu though, then this one is it because it is the real Microsoft Start Menu...I guess MS left behind the Start Menu in the Windows code and this guy has re-enabled it, and I guess anything short of major changes to windows(a new Windows version) would be required to remove it, since jump lists and various other functions rely on it, removing it completely would cause them serious compatibility issues. MS just hide the native win 7 start menu, and this one brings it back in all its glory.

If you get the site to work, I hope you give it a shot because if you liked the windows 7 Start Menu, then your already at home with this...because its the real deal MS start menu, just re-enabled


Woody79_00
I run Linux am I still a PC?
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Just a general reply but

I got around to trying all the start menu replacements for win 8 because we are going to upgrade a few at work this year. My boss pretty much said a Start Menu is a must and even though we will be putting Win 7 on some of them, the boss still wants some win 8 available.

Even though I really like StartIsBack, im really really liking the wide array of customization available in Classic Shell. Its just a fantastic little program...if I had known about it years ago I would have used it in place of the standard Microsoft Start menu..it has really impressed me.

however I will say, if you prefer the Microsoft start menu though, then StartIsBack on windows 8 is the way to go there, if you want more customization options, then you probably go with Classic shell. just my 2 cents.


tonyram57

join:2001-11-08
Brooklyn, NY
reply to screavan

ClassicShell
I tried using Windows 8 for a few days but I really missed the start menu. I was going to try Start8 but it was not free so I used ClassicShell. I love ClassicShell. It lets me customize just about everything. I like it better than the Windows 7 start menu because I can actually add custom programs.

Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to Woody79_00
said by Woody79_00:

strange...it works fine here on Firefox and IE10.

I guess try the site in IE10.

It was Proxo. I bypassed it and then it worked.

The author says this:

"A reboot is recommended after installation. Windows Defender is known to cause slowdowns and not recommended."

I'm using Windows Defender so I guess I better stay with Start8.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson