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Eumaeus

join:2009-12-10
Yorktown, VA
reply to s1deout

Re: [MoP] MoP Progression Thread

s1deout - Are you guys 1-tanking Wind Lord? If not, that was something we found made the enrage timer much easier to beat.

As long as the tank/healers are able to cycle cooldowns long enough to keep the tank up until 1 pack of adds dies you'll be good to go. Though, having a priest to mass dispel quickening helps a TON.


JB
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reply to Eumaeus
I think someone posted a Resto Shaman hacks video/link for Tsulong. If you need it let me know.

Congrats s1deout, we decided to complete 16/16N before going to heroics, no matter how easy they are, glad that worked for you guys

defton5198

join:2005-05-12
New Bern, NC
reply to JB
We got Windlord and Amber Shaper down last week in 25 but ran out of time before we could attempt Empress. Going to be working on H MSV on Tuesday and than back to HoF to finish it off. We finished 16/16N on 10 on Sat as well.


McBrain
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join:2010-05-06
Kalimdor
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reply to JB
It's not uncommon for guilds that are 16/16N to go 3/6H in MSV the first week.

There's a "progression ladder" for a reason. Going 16/16N first is the same path my guild took, and the same path I would have taken had I been the guild master.

That said, I really hope I can get settled in Okinawa before 5.2 comes out...the guild I've got a trial set up with has downed 4 heroic fights in MSV on 25s, and two more in HoF on 10s...I'll already be coming in at the ass end of the gearing hierarchy. If the patch is out, surely they'll be progressing into new content and I'll be even further behind.
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s1deout
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Yea we are 1 tanking Wind Lord. I was pulling over 200K on the pally tank along with hitting over 50K HPS as well.

I think we had some mechanics issues like idiots not getting out of wind bombs. We had 3 healers as well so we may need to drop a healer. We had 2 priests and a pally healer.


Eumaeus

join:2009-12-10
Yorktown, VA
3 healers should be totally fine with 1 tank. That's the setup we've run every week actually. Really staying out of wind bombs pretty much trivializes the last phase so long as dps is fine.

But as you said, "idiots not getting out" has always been the #1 cause of wipes in WoW.


JB
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Here I thought Windbombs = mega haste buff.


s1deout
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Oh its a mega haste buff alright.

Player X getting hit by wind bomb = mega haste buff for me to come teabag them till i die!!!


puppy

join:2010-01-28
reply to McBrain
said by McBrain:

If the patch is out, surely they'll be progressing into new content and I'll be even further behind.

But that means everything that drops is yours since no one else needs it


McBrain
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Touche...

I've talked to the GM via some emails, and he seems like a nice bloke (he's Aussie, so I reckon that's the appropriate term). I told him I know nothing is promised, and I'll be prepared to prove my worth, etc. The only thing I'm worried about is most of the guys that I assume are their core group are 495-499 ilevel...I'll have to bust my ass at 488 to stay in the same ballpark. Certainly, the raid leaders are aware enough to know that 10 ilvls will put me on a different level than them, but people running around at nearly ilvl 500 right now are no slouches, you know? So, I better be on my "A" game, no matter what the gear situation is.
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Immer
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reply to JB
PnE got a preview of the first fight in HoF (10M normal). What we learned:

1. Force and Verve sucks... a lot. Use healing CDs and for Pete's sake don't eat more than 2 on this platform. If you can't push the boss to the next platform in 2 F&V just stop now and go do some dailies.

2. It is silly to die to attenuation. DBM makes it idiot proof. The hitbox is HUGE... so even melee should never get hit by it

3. Having a priest for 3rd platform sucks... why?... AoE fear only has a 30sec CD... I can't just "blow it" to deny the boss that ability if/when I get MC'd. I HATE watching 4 guildies take off running into the gas cloud...

4. Did not like healing this as Disc. I was much more comfortable in Holy spec for this fight (movement and throughput were better than mitigation in this case). Chakra:Sanctuary, Lightspring, Divine Hymn are strong abilities for this fight.

Hope to contribute more when we have slightly more capable raiders with us. It was a fun way to experiment on a new fight, though.
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DarkLogix
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I heard you had some sub 30k dpsers in that run.


Immer
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Yes, we were the guests and we brought 70k+, 2x60k+, healer, tank... I'm still amazed (and grateful) we even saw P4.
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McBrain
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join:2010-05-06
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You can just circle to boss as melee and basically outpace the attenuation since the discs spawn in a predictable circular pattern.

Also, Convert is cast roughly every 60 seconds...just keep your PS on CD...macro it to an often used spell if that helps. Using that GCD every 30 or so seconds is better than fearing half your raid when you're MC'ed.


DarkLogix
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funny enough though not progression

in LFR#4 yesterday on ambershaper someone claimed hax, because I was more than 1% above #2 on DPS. (clearly they were joking)

lol only 98k and I was iceblocked 2 times for full duration (I think I was also #2 on aggro.
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gr00v

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Back from a long afk. Skipped Cata and started playing LoL instead.

Since december, we are back in azeroth and slowly but surely start to kick some behinds. 6/6 MsV, 2/6 hof with a best attempt of 11% on garalon. Running with some pugs atm but when the guildies are geared, should go a lot easier.


McBrain
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Once you break that wall and get Garalon down he is almost trivial on subsequent attempts. Good luck!


Eumaeus

join:2009-12-10
Yorktown, VA
This is totally true. I think we've had only a single wipe on him for several weeks following our first kill. There's very little variation in the fight so once people feel the flow of it then it pretty much just goes down.

bpoff17

join:2009-03-31
reply to JB
Garalon must die is this week's motto for the raid. We're probably only spending one last week in MV before we move to focusing entirely on clearing HoF, then ToES. I would really like to get all the current normal mode content killed before the pre-5.2 nerfs (if they do them).

Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
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said by bpoff17:

Garalon must die is this week's motto for the raid. We're probably only spending one last week in MV before we move to focusing entirely on clearing HoF, then ToES. I would really like to get all the current normal mode content killed before the pre-5.2 nerfs (if they do them).

It's not like blizz to nerf a raid tier like that this soon. Possibly when the third tier comes out maybe.


DarkLogix
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said by Cptbeatstix:

said by bpoff17:

Garalon must die is this week's motto for the raid. We're probably only spending one last week in MV before we move to focusing entirely on clearing HoF, then ToES. I would really like to get all the current normal mode content killed before the pre-5.2 nerfs (if they do them).

It's not like blizz to nerf a raid tier like that this soon. Possibly when the third tier comes out maybe.

Nope its inline with Blizz, they've just releasing tiers faster than ever before.

4.1 brought nerfs to t11
4.2 brought even more.
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Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
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reply to JB
I honestly don't see them nerfing the raids with the increased loot drop in lfr plus the introduction of the "Thunderstorm gear." But you're probably right. But it won't be a major nerf and will be able to turn it off. Just wish they would wait longer than 1 tier to do it. The nerf to T11 content made it stupid easy from you gotta be stupid to not down this. But I don't pve much anymore aside from grinding heroics for the JP conversion to honor.


McBrain
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Should wait longer betwixt tiers and there'd be no need for a nerf.

That's just me being angry that 5.2 will be released before I get settled in my new locale.

But seriously, they should wait longer....
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Cptbeatstix

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said by McBrain:

Should wait longer betwixt tiers and there'd be no need for a nerf.

That's just me being angry that 5.2 will be released before I get settled in my new locale.

But seriously, they should wait longer....

RAWR SCREW CASUALS AND THEM WINNING OVER BLIZZ FROM THE QQ TRAIN!!!!!


McBrain
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Not sure I'm a casual...I've been 16/16 since mid-december...but yeah, SCREW CASUALS!

Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
Carrollton, TX
reply to JB
It's not in the clearing it, its more of making the content just easier overall.


McBrain
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I don't think it should be easier, just longer between patches to let people grasp the learning curve/gear up.

I mean, the guild I'm leaving is in the top 310 US 25 man guilds...and the guild I'm (more than likely) going to is in the top 290, and both are 4/6H...do you really think it's time to introduce a new tier, when the top 300 twenty-five man guilds in the US are 4/16 Heroic?

Cptbeatstix

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As a whole, no. But they cater towards the top progression guilds that get paid to play and have nothing but time to play. Those top guilds are raiding almost everyday and full clearing content with little to no problem. I think they should give more time between reg and heroic mode. But blizz shouldn't have changed the difference between 10m and 25m. That was the seperation between the men and the boys as per difficulty stood in H modes. LFR was a bad introduction as well as the jp gear only being 358.

There was just a big gear difference between being able to clear a raid and only being able to clear certain parts. Reg MSV has a recommended ilvl of 475 at least for most raiding guilds. I went in at 463 on my warrior to tank and it was just horrible on the damage output. Heroics I didn't take crap for dmg and could chain pull with a good healer.

This is pretty much why I have completely shut down on PVE. I don't really have time to dedicate to spam heroics and hope that I get a drop out of LFR. PvP is just a faster turn around =P


McBrain
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Herein lies our difference, I'm a 25-man raider that is (for all intensive purposes) 4/16 Heroic, and you're a man who is fighting his way through LFR. At no point am I saying I am better than you, but still the point remains...time between tiers should be longer.

Blizzard shouldn't increase/decrease the difficulty of their dungeons, they should only increase the time period in which they are introduced. This would save a lot of the heartache that both your kind and mine have right now.

No offense is intended.
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McBrain#1430

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Cptbeatstix

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said by McBrain:

Herein lies our difference, I'm a 25-man raider that is (for all intensive purposes) 4/16 Heroic, and you're a man who is fighting his way through LFR. At no point am I saying I am better than you, but still the point remains...time between tiers should be longer.

Blizzard shouldn't increase/decrease the difficulty of their dungeons, they should only increase the time period in which they are introduced. This would save a lot of the heartache that both your kind and mine have right now.

No offense is intended.

No offense taken. I think the other parts muddied the water a bit. I completely agree with you on the part of extended time between tiers. Blizz just keeps pumping out content so fast that its hard to keep up with unless you pretty much raid 6 out of 7 days.
They need to slow the f down....unless Titan is getting closer to coming out.