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sbrook
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Re: [The Call] So, I was on the phone with Rogers...

I didn't say that there weren't segments that didn't experience congestion. Those that do are typically in areas where the cable plant topology doesn't permit the easy splitting of cable segments into smaller segments. Around Toronto, that's most common in areas that were served later by Shaw. Other areas where mistakes were made in estimating uptake ... for example in the areas of college and university housing there are far more people with internet than TV.

These areas are very expensive to split nodes effectively since it means major replacement of cable plant, and that gets wickedly expensive since it means digging up roads, yards etc. So, I wouldn't call it cheaping out.

The other areas that are having problems are new development since it's not being well planned because developers don't always provide enough notice to cable operators to do adequate capacity planning. (Same problem happens with many hydro services ... it's as if hydro, phone and cable are afterthoughts to the developers). So, Rogers goes in, installs cable on a makeshift basis then comes back later to fix the problems.


elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
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said by sbrook:

These areas are very expensive to split nodes effectively since it means major replacement of cable plant, and that gets wickedly expensive since it means digging up roads, yards etc. So, I wouldn't call it cheaping out.

You guys make us living in East London feel like we're living on skid row. The only thing buried here is Gas lines. Everything else is hanging off poles. Hydro on the street and telephone/cable poles in the backyards. Running like a rocket since 1946.


sbrook
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Same where I live I have my own dedicated transformer on a pole too! Only hassle is that it's all a little too exposed like that over 15 km from the head end!

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to sbrook
said by sbrook:

So, I wouldn't call it cheaping out.

Except it is whether you care to admit it or not.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to elitefx
said by elitefx:

The only thing buried here is Gas lines. Everything else is hanging off poles. Hydro on the street and telephone/cable poles in the backyards. Running like a rocket since 1946.

Having stuff underground looks nicer. But those are also areas that will likely never see FTTH either unless its a brand new development from here on out and even then that isn't likely.


sbrook
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reply to 34764170
said by 34764170:

said by sbrook:

So, I wouldn't call it cheaping out.

Except it is whether you care to admit it or not.

It's called budgetary planning ... you invest in upgrades first where you'll get the biggest bang for your dollar. It's plain old fashioned business economics and practiced at all levels of business.

Cheaping out would be upgrading to some cheaper "in-between" solution with the intent to upgrade all the way later.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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reply to 34764170
said by 34764170:

said by elitefx:

The only thing buried here is Gas lines. Everything else is hanging off poles. Hydro on the street and telephone/cable poles in the backyards. Running like a rocket since 1946.

Having stuff underground looks nicer. But those are also areas that will likely never see FTTH either unless its a brand new development from here on out and even then that isn't likely.

Aside from new developments, I don't think we'll see FTTH for existing customers in our lifetime on HFC networks. Coax still has a lot of life in it, and there are various technologies to get HFC to offer the same performance as FTTH.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by yyzlhr:

Aside from new developments, I don't think we'll see FTTH for existing customers in our lifetime on HFC networks. Coax still has a lot of life in it, and there are various technologies to get HFC to offer the same performance as FTTH.

Rogers is already working on FTTH and not using RGoG/DOCSIS. DOCSIS simply cannot handle the upstream speed they want to offer. I also wasn't talking about only Rogers but also Bell. Both of them will continue to invest heavily into DOCSIS/VDSL2 going forward with DOCIS 3.1 and VDSL2 vectoring but both of them have serious limitations.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to sbrook
said by sbrook:

It's called budgetary planning ... you invest in upgrades first where you'll get the biggest bang for your dollar. It's plain old fashioned business economics and practiced at all levels of business.

No, it's called being a lame ass company which Rogers is known for.

eeeaddict

join:2010-02-14
reply to 34764170
sadly us Etobicoke people will probably never have ftth