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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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Urbandale, IA
reply to ropeguru

Re: Weather Channel is worse than politicians...

I agree that naming winter storms is a bit off, but if you've paid any reasonable amount of attention to the TOR:CON index, you'd see it's often quite accurate and useful for warning people about the potential for dangerous weather conditions. Reading up just now about the STORM:CON, I don't see anything bad about that either. There are a lot of people who don't understand all the terms involved with watches, warning, and advisories for both severe summer and winter weather. If those two products make any person pay more attention and take action to keep themselves and their families safe during dangerous weather, then they're worth it.

For people who aren't weather nerds, I can see it being very beneficial. I tend to pay more attention personally to the Storm Prediction Center's Severe Weather Outlook when it comes to tornadoes, but that's not something the average person would even stumble onto. The average person, however, might watch the Weather Channel or visit their website and see that. You're really opposed to providing people with easy-to-understand information about the potential for dangerous or deadly weather?

Ask the people in the thick of this if they didn't appreciate having a head's up on this day:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_25%E···outbreak
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA
What the Weather Channel folks are doing equate to me them not following the standards. Imagine if every company out there called the same item by a different name. No one would ever know what to ask for when going to the parts counter.

Now, when the National Weather Service is the one in this country that sets the standards, and rogue companies like the Weather Channel start their own lingo, it is only going to cause confusion. There needs to be a governing body to set forecast and forecast reporting standards that everyone follows. Right now, that is the NWS and the FOR PROFIT Weather Channel is going rogue.

So you are saying that the NWS gave no warning to those people or that the NWS was confusing? I somehow doubt it. Now imagine the confusion when one neighbor talks to the other, one watches the Weather Channel and the other follows the NWS, and the one who watches the Weather Channel starts talking about Iago and the other, instead of getting ready for the snowstorm predicted by the NWS, runs off to board up his windows because he thinks a hurricane is coming as the NWS does not name winter storms.

All the Weather Channel is doing is going out on their own and causing confusion. What they should be doing is talking to the NWS and other agencies and recommending changes and working as a whole to make things better. But they cannot and do not want to seem to do that so they can sell better ratings and hype.


danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA
said by ropeguru:

What the Weather Channel folks are doing equate to me them not following the standards. Imagine if every company out there called the same item by a different name. No one would ever know what to ask for when going to the parts counter.

Now, when the National Weather Service is the one in this country that sets the standards, and rogue companies like the Weather Channel start their own lingo, it is only going to cause confusion. There needs to be a governing body to set forecast and forecast reporting standards that everyone follows. Right now, that is the NWS and the FOR PROFIT Weather Channel is going rogue.

So you are saying that the NWS gave no warning to those people or that the NWS was confusing? I somehow doubt it. Now imagine the confusion when one neighbor talks to the other, one watches the Weather Channel and the other follows the NWS, and the one who watches the Weather Channel starts talking about Iago and the other, instead of getting ready for the snowstorm predicted by the NWS, runs off to board up his windows because he thinks a hurricane is coming as the NWS does not name winter storms.

All the Weather Channel is doing is going out on their own and causing confusion. What they should be doing is talking to the NWS and other agencies and recommending changes and working as a whole to make things better. But they cannot and do not want to seem to do that so they can sell better ratings and hype.

How many people do you know that actually *read* the National Weather Service website forecasts for their region in detail - unless they're weather nerds, already inclined to be interested in weather, they won't. I'm not saying that the National Weather Service didn't provide information the days I linked, or that the Storm Prediction Center didn't - but their products aren't geared at the average user who flips on the TV in the morning to check the forecast. Even just the generic forecast page on a day with a high threat for severe weather, the wording is at best, at least in my area, is something along the lines of "Severe thunderstorms likely" - that's incredibly generic. You have to get into the zone forecasts, the hazardous weather and short-term discussions, and the Storm Prediction Center's outlook discussions in order to figure out what that means for your area.

Go read this, and tell me if the text on the bottom of this page would make perfect sense to the average person who just turns on the local news or Weather Channel to see whether it's going to rain that day:

»www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outloo···100.html

Local news might cover it in some detail, but in my experience they still don't provide the level of "alert" that something like the TOR:CON can in advance of the event. My experience with local news is that they're great coverage while the event is occurring - but they're a bit light on information in the day or hours leading up to it. It's not like there's some actual National Weather Service TV channel that you can turn to.

Your example is ridiculous. Anyone who takes the time to go to the National Weather Service website and read their forecast is going to know that it's not a hurricane coming and would not be confused by their neighbor mentioning a named winter storm. In fact, I'm going to step out on a cliff here and argue that someone that informed is probably already aware of the Weather Channel naming storms and will also know exactly what they mean. People who take the time to go to the NWS site are already smart weather consumers. They're the people who already know the difference between a watch, warning, advisory, and know which detailed product links to click on on the NWS page to find out what's going to happen in their area.
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Hayward
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Key West, FL
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said by danawhitaker:

For people who aren't weather nerds, I can see it being very beneficial. I tend to pay more attention personally to the Storm Prediction Center's Severe Weather Outlook when it comes to tornadoes, but that's not something the average person would even stumble onto.

Well unless they are voluntarily stupid...

Way up north knew what blizzards were without anyone telling me...

And conversely moving to Key West it is very important you know what hurricanes are. (Many newcomers here don't until hit by one.)

But since moving here the last thing but for general info is the WX Ch. The populous when NOAH was going to closed NWS KW down, mandated Cat 5 NWS station is two blocks down the street... talk about a local forecast. And the Navy takes things WX very seriously and literally too, another good source for raw data for anyone who understands WX.

But yeah in Bushwacked budget cut proposal (to pay for the tax cuts) a decade ago... they wanted to remote control NWS KW from Miami.... not sure congress ever saw such a near 75% population response of we may ignore what they tell us... but the LOCAL MANNED WX info to make that final decision is CRITAL the WX ch is BS, even then.

As well as to fishing and other commercial maritime interests, no way you are putting us on storm sure to fail remote control.

And it worked...now the new (2005) Cat 5 resistant station used to be in horrid quarters at the airport. The first time I have felt my tax dollars well spent.

And just two blocks away... they hold open houses once or twice a years, and sometimes just go up to chat when they aren't real storm busy.

Oh and the staff there then, and even the newcomers, are very grateful the Keys residents in real terms revolted and told congress the HELL you are taking NWS KW away... it the one really tangible benefit we get from our tax dollar and it IS CRITICAL.

Oh and BTW when the NHC radar was blown off their roof in (92) Andrew it was the long range KW radar they were getting their info from after that.

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ropeguru
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Mechanicsville, VA
reply to danawhitaker
While there are a lot of folks that may not go to the NWS site, there are a lot that watch local news which are also NOT using the named winter storm convention. So my argument still stands as to the confusion.

It is the weather channel trying to take over like the bully and run everything. THEY are not the rule makers in this game and when it comes to people's safety THEY are the ones that are the issue.


Hayward
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Key West, FL
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Since when have they not.... 1992 Because of loss of data predicted Key West wiped off the map....

No Andrew was so compact that nothing but a stiff wind in the lower Keys...and wiped out Homestead, but not Miami or at all impacted but the very upper Keys.

You live around storms you better pay attention and to NOAA and direct NWS (for me 2 blocks up the street), also in KW Navy serious take on it all... Not the WX Ch.... that's just stupid entertainment? for those not affected.
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