Topic 'Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge' in forum 'All Things Unix' - dslreports.com

Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:16:25 EDT

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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:11:14 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by CylonRed:

They have smart phones but I don't know which ones. Problem is - it is not the least bit intuitive and that is a huge problem for Win 8.

That's a qualitative statement. About as useful as the IDC numbers.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:45:51 EDT

Anonymous posted : I wanted to like Win 8. I really did. I tried for about a month but could not get used to the new interface. It seemed to me it was a huge step back and was not as easy to use as the old interface. A friend of mine tried it at a local store and hated it. I didn't think I hated it but once I went back to Win 7 I realized how much I missed it.

If Microsoft wants to get into smartphone and tablet market I have no problems with that. I do have a problem with them pushing a tablet OS on my PC.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:20:05 EDT

ImpldConsent posted : IDC hasn't really submitted the bigger numbers folks are looking for (Consumer Markets, Telecom, Storage). As it relates to the article, Google (+partners) had better come up with a touchscreen of it's Chromebook fairly soon. That's where the market is heading. Take your (iOS/Android/Windows) loving phone/tablet family member and show them a Chromebook. Chances are one of the first things they'll do is get sticky fingerprints on the screen and walk away disappointed. I have heard Samsung venturing into their next Chromebook with touchscreen, just haven't seen it...they might be working in the bendable AMOLED screens.

Linux's Revenge? Maybe. More likely open-source revenge.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:57:01 EDT

CylonRed posted : They have smart phones but I don't know which ones. Problem is - it is not the least bit intuitive and that is a huge problem for Win 8.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:28:03 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by CylonRed:

Some people like the tiles - those that likely use a smart phone with tiles or a tablet and those that hate the tiles (myself included) that primarily use a PC...

I have seen the tiles on a laptop of a friends and I hate them. They guys wife - has had issues figuring out how to close programs - like Paint. The new Paint looks idiotic and I am not sure I can use it for what I currently use it for... She eventually found a way to close Paint - but it took several steps more than it should. Several programs they can't find anyway to close a program but by using Task Manager.

I am one that I would prefer to not have to use external programs to get functionality I want - like the Start button.

I am waiting for some time to load Win 7 Pro I bought just before Christmas...

I take it that they never used a touch screen device? close is drag down from top. not many steps at all
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:16:28 EDT

dave posted :

said by Snakeoil:

so I am rather curious as to why it's getting a lot of mixed feedback.

It IMO pointlessly attempts to combine a touch-device UI with a desktop UI.

My typical desktop system has a couple of 16:9 monitors, has over a dozen open windows all the time [some of them even executing on Linux systems], and the keyboard gets used a lot. I simply don't need a radical paradigm shift.

There surely are better UIs for different devices (touch screen: phones and tablets) than the 'desktop' UI, and for all I know Windows 8 provides that better UI. But the cost is that it worsens the desktop UI I still need.

You can, if you want, assume that I'm an old geezer who can't take change. To that, I say: (a) when I were a lad, we talked to computers by drilling holes in cardboard, so don't talk to me about 'radical UI change' (b) I was probably point'n'clicking on a VAXstation while some here were still on an etch-a-sketch, and (c) I use and like the iPhone UI on a touch screen device.

I am thinking that this Windows might be the first version (in the Windows NT line, not that old DOS-based Win3/Win9x line) that I never buy. Though that will bring its own infrastructure upheavals.

Sorry for the waffling, but I bet you don't get many Windows users in here :-)

Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:31:25 EDT

Hayward posted :

said by DarkSithPro:

Is it a tablet OS, a desktop OS, or both? Not sure myself.

Both, but you miss much of its unique functionality on a PC if you don't upgrade to a Touchscreen too.

I have seen a couple of WIN 8 laptops advertised out there that have touchscreens.

I think the tablet version is slimmed down some.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:51:00 EDT

FiReSTaRT posted : Windows 8 was impossible to do real work in. I know several users (not technophobic by any means) who ended up having to upgrade their new systems to 7 to be able to work (all using niche Windows-only packages or they would have switched over to GNU/Linux on their workstations). I'm almost convinced that Windows 8 was a ploy to boost Windows 7 sales and even if people don't buy 7, they have already paid for a WIndows 8 licence ;)
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:08:01 EDT

CylonRed posted : Some people like the tiles - those that likely use a smart phone with tiles or a tablet and those that hate the tiles (myself included) that primarily use a PC...

I have seen the tiles on a laptop of a friends and I hate them. They guys wife - has had issues figuring out how to close programs - like Paint. The new Paint looks idiotic and I am not sure I can use it for what I currently use it for... She eventually found a way to close Paint - but it took several steps more than it should. Several programs they can't find anyway to close a program but by using Task Manager.

I am one that I would prefer to not have to use external programs to get functionality I want - like the Start button.

I am waiting for some time to load Win 7 Pro I bought just before Christmas...
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:54:56 EDT

DarkSithPro posted :

said by drjim:

Out of all the people I know who have Windows 8, it's about 70% SUCKS and 30% it's OK.

Is it a tablet OS, a desktop OS, or both? Not sure myself.

Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:36:21 EDT

kleeman posted : Market forces. Linux/Android is a superior product to Windows and the changing hardware landscape is just exposing this long standing situation to consumers. The key change was that Android backed by Google was able to become established on cheap smartphones. Previous to that an unbacked Linux had trouble becoming widely used on desktops. The large ecosystem in Android followed from this and is why Android is so successful now and into the future. Already Nexus 7 tablets are outselling Ipads in Japan.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:54:48 EDT

drjim posted : Out of all the people I know who have Windows 8, it's about 70% SUCKS and 30% it's OK.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:01:25 EDT

TuxRaiderPen posted :

said by FF4m3 :
Related:

• Morgan Stanley downgrades Microsoft over Win 8, PC market concerns

• Microsoft Corporation: More Evidence That Windows 8 Isn’t Boosting PCs

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Couldn't happen to a better company. :p :p

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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:57:42 EDT

Snakeoil posted : Interesting. I have heard many people say they love windows 8, but yet it seems that many don't like windows 8. A few I have read even consider it worse then windows Vista.

I have yet to use a computer* with windows 8 on it, so I am rather curious as to why it's getting a lot of mixed feedback.

*We will be getting two low priced laptops for the kids towards spring [low price being 450 to 550 dollars]. So I'll have a chance to "explore win 8 then I guess.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:46:06 EDT

anon posted : Related:

• Morgan Stanley downgrades Microsoft over Win 8, PC market concerns

• Will The Surface Pro Help Resuscitate Microsoft?

• Microsoft Corporation: More Evidence That Windows 8 Isn’t Boosting PCs

Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:02:38 EDT

Maxo posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

So IDC says Microsoft will go from 0 to 10% in 4 years. Based on whatever IDC is smoking this year.

I think what is bringing them the numbers isn't a result of what they are smoking. It is the idea that one can predict what the markets will look like in 2016 that came from their wacky-t'backy.

Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:34:36 EDT

JohnInSJ posted : So IDC says Microsoft will go from 0 to 10% in 4 years. Based on whatever IDC is smoking this year.

Cool.

This is the same IDC that said Microsoft would have 20% of the smartphone market with windows phone 7, in 2011, right?

Yeah - IDC crystal balls say all kinds of crazy stuff.
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Re: Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:44 EDT

Snakeoil posted : I'm just happy that I have found a good alternative to MS products, without having to pay Apple's prices.

Of Netbooks, Tablets And Linux's Revenge

Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:42:32 EDT

anon posted : Interesting analysis from H-Online:

IDC forecasts that Microsoft will have just 10% of the worldwide tablet market in 2016. That wouldn't matter much if tablets were likely to be a niche market, but all the signs suggest exactly the opposite: that tablets will soon be more important than desktops for general users.

That is, instead of going into sectors where Microsoft makes a tidy profit from the bundled software, money will be flowing into the pockets of tablet manufacturers – specifically, budget tablet manufacturers.

There are two ironies here. First, that at the heart of Android lies an updated version of exactly the same code that the early netbooks ran; and secondly, the fact that Microsoft's successful attempts to kill off netbooks running free software probably contributed to Android's current success in the tablet market.