Topic 'Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:44:21 EDT

El Quintron posted :

If Wind sticks around and they nab a large chunk of the reserved for newbie's 700MHz spectrum cheaply, I can see them @ 3MM+ subscribers in 4-5 years.

Yup, 700Mhz Spectrum + Next iPhone, more spectrum efficiency they'll make a killing.

I think Sawiris/Orascom/Vipelcom are bluffing when they're stating they intend to leave the market, it does two things:

1) It forces the government to offer them concessions to keep them in the market,

2) It encourages the worse type of behavior from the incumbents because they think the competiton ain't here to stay. Which is good for Wind.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:34:01 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by El Quintron:

Here's some more on the upcoming 700MHz auction............

»www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/Resea···16-e.htm

"The 700 MHz spectrum band is considered "beachfront property." That is, this low-frequency spectrum offers significant improvements in download speeds; better penetration of buildings and other obstacles; and wider coverage, important in addressing the digital divide between rural and urban Canadians.

Hence, this auction will shape the near future of Canada’s wireless services."

......

"Given the occasionally conflicting demands it faced regarding this auction, the government has established the following objectives: sustaining increased competition, which the new entrants in the AWS auction had introduced to the industry; promoting continued investment and innovation that the incumbents, by their size, brought to the industry; and making AWS available to all Canadians.

A backgrounder issued at the time of the announcement listed four measures chosen to balance demands and meet the government’s objectives:

Foreign investment restrictions will be lifted for companies that have less than a 10 percent share of the telecommunications market, promoting competition by improving new wireless entrants' access to capital.
Caps in upcoming spectrum auctions will effectively ensure that new wireless entrants and regional providers have access to prime spectrum.
Tower sharing and roaming policies will be improved and extended.
Obligations will be imposed on 700 MHz spectrum licence holders to see advanced wireless services quickly delivered to rural Canadians.

Companies that acquire spectrum at these auctions will not be able to sell their licences to other providers for five years. This measure promotes competition and prevents consolidation in the industry in the short term."

If Wind sticks around and they nab a large chunk of the reserved for newbie's 700MHz spectrum cheaply, I can see them @ 3MM+ subscribers in 4-5 years.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:30:42 EDT

bt posted :

said by El Quintron:

Seeing as Wind has spectrum in every province except for QC, are they expected to have service there as well or do some of the "regions" cover more than one provice?

The regions are much smaller than that, but some do cover more than one province. The Ottawa region includes Gatineau, for example, so Wind and Mobilicity do actually have service in one small sliver of Quebec.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:26:50 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by El Quintron:

said by MaynardKrebs:

This is the year that ALL the new entrants have to have their mandated population coverage running in all markets where they bought spectrum.

What exactly does that mean?

Seeing as Wind has spectrum in every province except for QC, are they expected to have service there as well or do some of the "regions" cover more than one provice?

EQ

Sorry....my bad...it's 8 years for install targets --- but 5 years for no buyouts by incumbents of new entrants.

It's expressed as a percentage of the population within the areas covered by the spectrum purchase, and an assessment of whether the holder is squatting on unused spectrum.

Competition Principles: Promoting a Competitive Post-Auction Marketplace
»strategis.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-···626.html
In an effort to ensure that social and economic benefits are maximized from the use of the radio frequency spectrum, it will be important that licensees operate in a competitive marketplace post-auction. Measures available to the government to promote a competitive post-auction marketplace include restricting the participation of certain entities in an auction and/or placing limits on the amount of spectrum that any one entity may hold by using spectrum set-asides or spectrum aggregation limits. Industry Canada will consider the two guiding principles outlined below in choosing when and how to impose pro-competitive measures.

Principle 1: Restricting Participation in the Wireless Market

Industry Canada may decide that an entity that currently provides telecommunications services should be restricted from holding certain licences if:

(a) the entity possesses market power in the supply of one or more telecommunications services in a region covered by the licence to be auctioned;
(b) a new entrant is likely to use the licence to provide services in competition with the entity’s existing services; and
(c) the anti-competitive effects of the entity acquiring a licence are not outweighed by the potential economies of scope arising from the integration of the spectrum in question into the entity’s existing network.

Principle 2: Spectrum Aggregation Limits

It is the view of Industry Canada that, when multiple licences for the use of spectrum in a given geographic area are auctioned, and when these can be used to provide closely substitutable service, aggregation limits may be required on the amount of spectrum that any single bidder is allowed to acquire so as to ensure competitive markets. Spectrum aggregation limits may be imposed in the following circumstances:

(a) a bidder that acquires an amount of spectrum beyond a certain level would not face effective competition from providers of closely substitutable services; and
(b) the anti-competitive effects arising from the acquisition of an amount of spectrum beyond a certain level by a single bidder would not be offset by lower prices or higher valued services resulting from a single entity holding this amount of spectrum.

Roll-out Obligations, Licence Term and Renewal
»strategis.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-···997.html
Roll-out obligations are normally used to ensure that the spectrum is used and to deter access to the spectrum either for speculation without use, or spectrum warehousing with no specific use intended. Roll-out obligations have been used in previous licensing processes. A further purpose of roll-out obligations may be to encourage the delivery of service in all regions of Canada.

Taking into account the overall policy framework for this auction, and the stated intentions of both incumbents and new entrants, the department is of the view that specific roll-out obligations are appropriate only in relation to roaming provisions for national new entrants. Allowing general flexibility in this respect will enable winning bidders to respond to market factors in determining infrastructure build-out decisions. Nonetheless, the department will take into account the roll-out targets in Annex 2, both in considering eventual renewal of AWS licences as discussed below and in considering any application from a national new entrant for extension of in-territory roaming beyond the initial 5 years.

The AWS licences will be issued for a 10-year term similar to other spectrum licences. AWS licence renewal will be subject to a public consultation process initiated in year eight, as proposed in the AWS consultation paper. The nature and details of this process will be developed through a separate consultation to be initiated by the department in the context of the Framework for Spectrum Auctions in Canada. The renewal process developed through that consultation may apply to all auctioned licences, including AWS.

The renewal process, which will form the basis of the follow-up consultation, will include consideration of:

the extent of geographic coverage across the licensed area;
whether there is interest in the licence from other parties;
whether licence fees should apply for a subsequent licence term; and
whether renewal in whole or in part supports the orderly development of radiocommunication in light of the policy objectives of the Telecommunications Act given known future factors, pressures and the spectrum environment.

Beyond consideration of the above factors, other reasons for non or partial renewal may include:

a fundamental reallocation of spectrum to a new service is required;
an overriding policy need or spectrum management concern arises;
national security, treaty or other international obligations or requirements;
a breach of licence condition;
the spectrum has not been deployed, or not sufficiently deployed over the licensed area;
whether there is interest from others for access to the spectrum; and
other relevant factors which might be raised in the public consultation.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:54:30 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

This is the year that ALL the new entrants have to have their mandated population coverage running in all markets where they bought spectrum.

What exactly does that mean?

Seeing as Wind has spectrum in every province except for QC, are they expected to have service there as well or do some of the "regions" cover more than one provice?

EQ
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:44:41 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by El Quintron:

said by MaynardKrebs:

Wind is supposedly in the midst of a Halifax build now. Has anyone with a Wind phone seen flickers of testing of that on their handsets when out there?

Wind is nototrious for activating service without making any official announcements, I was getting service in Barrie for at least 3 months before Wind even acknowleged that they were active there.

I know the same happened in London/Guelph too.
Better to get the service up and coverage confirmed before taking on new customers.

This is the year that ALL the new entrants have to have their mandated population coverage running in all markets where they bought spectrum. Wind probably could argue for a 6 month 'grace' period due to the delays caused by the legal challenges against them at the outset. Their build-out was placed pretty much on-hold as a result.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:16:43 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

Wind is supposedly in the midst of a Halifax build now. Has anyone with a Wind phone seen flickers of testing of that on their handsets when out there?

Wind is nototrious for activating service without making any official announcements, I was getting service in Barrie for at least 3 months before Wind even acknowleged that they were active there.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:11:28 EDT

bt posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

Wind is supposedly in the midst of a Halifax build now.

Winnipeg too. No official word on either yet, but some Wind towers have been confirmed in Winnipeg.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:50:14 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by El Quintron:

said by zorxd:

That's hard to implement in practice. Should Wind loose 90% of its spectrum since it's not being used?

Wind is using it's spectrum and is in a process of perpetual expansion, no one can argue that. I've been with them since day so I'm witnessing it, the real question is what's an acceptable timetable for expansion?

Wind is in BC, AB, virtually all of Southern Ontario, and this is within 3 years, so the proof's in the pudding as far as I'm concerned.

Wind is supposedly in the midst of a Halifax build now. Has anyone with a Wind phone seen flickers of testing of that on their handsets when out there?

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:22:09 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by zorxd:

That's hard to implement in practice. Should Wind loose 90% of its spectrum since it's not being used?

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:34:36 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Ok so Rogers aquires Wind and the scenario goes like this:

Dear Wind customer,

Your contract is now null and void, you owe us early termination fees, and a hardware recovery fee, since you didn't finish out your contract.

However if you sign your life over to use in perpetual servitude,we promise to only screw you over twice a year with rate increase, despite being under contract.

Existing Rogers customers:

Dear Rogers customer

With the recent purchase of MLSE and now Wind Mobile, we have accumulated a fair amount of debt. Effective immediately and is retroactive to your first day of service with Rogers, we will be implementing, the "We bought more companies to screw you over" recovery fee, of only $9.95/month. This will allow us to be out of debt in 2yrs and be able to serve you better.

Thank you for chosing rogers
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:49:03 EDT

zorxd posted : Videotron bought the spectrum for new entrants (which they got for cheap in many cases, because Wind and Mobilicity didn't bet much) but it was only part of the available spectrum. I don't think they were allowed to buy the whole spectrum.

I agree; spectrum squatting shouldn't be allowed: use it or lose it, no refunds.

That's hard to implement in practice. Should Wind loose 90% of its spectrum since it's not being used?

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:58:11 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by zorxd:

No company bought the entire AWS spectrum in any region. And I don't think it was allowed either.

It was allowed, case and point being Videotron in Quebec as noted earlier.

said by zorxd:

Putting too much rules isn't always a good idea either. We must not repeat the mistake which made Shaw and Eastlink to buy spectrum but not using it.

I agree; spectrum squatting shouldn't be allowed: use it or lose it, no refunds.

I think the current auction is set up as such as well but I can't confirm that for sure.

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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:51:57 EDT

Gone posted :

said by zorxd:

No company bought the entire AWS spectrum in any region. And I don't think it was allowed either.

Videotron did buy all 40MHz of the new entrant spectrum in Quebec, though. No one else did that. Videotron may as well be part of the Big 3 (or rather, 4), though.

Eastlink is in the process of building their wireless network right now. It was supposed to launch in PEI and NS in 2012 but it's been delayed for whatever reason.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:42:10 EDT

zorxd posted :

said by El Quintron:

Fair enough but the auction is set up in such a way that you can't snap up the entire spectrum for any region you're bidding in. This should keep bids, and the prices low seeing as you only get a fixed amount of spectrum no matter how much you bid.

No company bought the entire AWS spectrum in any region. And I don't think it was allowed either.

Putting too much rules isn't always a good idea either. We must not repeat the mistake which made Shaw and Eastlink to buy spectrum but not using it.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:31:22 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by Gone:

To which, full foreign ownership was the only way they would ever have been able to afford to get 700MHz spectrum.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:23:18 EDT

Who posted : Wind is a pretty big fish outside Canada. In fact, take a look here and tell me where you see Rogers/Telus/Bell

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo···perators

Outside ripping off Canadians, they are minnows.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:13:20 EDT

funny posted :

said by Guspaz:

But a lot of people don't want/need smartphones. And even then, their 5MHz of downstream spectrum is good for up to 75 Mbps downstream with regular LTE. They've said they plan to migrate to LTE, although I'm not sure how. LTE supports using smaller than 5 MHz chunks, but CDMA doesn't, so it seems like they'll have to do a full migration and replace all existing phones?

only reason im going to go get a wind phone is cause i can get android on it and then get the unity package and make games and apps for it....its crazy sick what you all pay for crap keep doing so LOL

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:12:12 EDT

funny posted :

said by jpaik:

The parent company is seeing Canada as a market to leave asap.

AFAIK, the regs prevent Wind from being sold to an incumbent company until 2014. I predict that Wind's owners will petition cabinet to change those rules. If unsuccessful, one of the incumbents will buy Wind on Jan 2, 2014.

really the cost per gb and the cost they sell to you is so profitable no one in right mind once they get a foothold in canada is gonna leave.
cogeco is perfect example where did they sell...they sold hte homeland isp of course ten bought into more of northamerica with a presence now in the usa.

thats how profitable all internet is in canada and it snot helping anyone but a very very very small few while other areas of the world run right past us all.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:10:16 EDT

funny posted :

said by got_milk:

said by infamouskid:

i really don't see that happening.
with the way things are looking now wind is in a position to buy up the other smaller guys. they already have 600k subs.
the only time they would sell is if they are not gaining anything in market right now. but as long as they continue to grow each quarter there is no reason to sell.
they just had their best quarter and their sub base size has grown by more then 50% in the last year. now they are going for full control.
i would say this is more of a strategic move to deepen their pockets for some ammunition against the incumbents. i mean this is the same company who had their CEO say "We will make pain, and they will suffer" in a live interview. that sounds more like they want payback for what happened when they opened doors rather then them wanting to sell.

Orascom will sell. It will cost too much to upgrade their network to be on par with Bell/Rogers/Telus' offerings. Wind's home network zone is still very small and a lack of LTE will begin to hurt them soon, if it's not hurting them now.

i hear bell canada and rogers are behind scenes looking at a divide up so they can get quicker approval of that. THEN its back to rip off time. JUST like a fido....

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:22:09 EDT

Gone posted : To which, full foreign ownership was the only way they would ever have been able to afford to get 700MHz spectrum.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:47:00 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by graniterock:

If only Wind was able to get some spectrum so that they could offer iPhones they would bet set. It is the one thing that seems to be impeding quite a few people I know.

The upcoming 700Mhz auction will make an iPhone available for them very shortly... they'll basically have both the iPhone and LTE in one fell swoop.

Once this happens we'll be able to speculate a little more about Wind's (and the other new entrants) long term viability.

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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:13:07 EDT

jpaik posted : Rogers is a Cogeco shareholder.

Intentions to buy a majority interest will never be revealed until after the markets close. Speculating is a waste of time.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:52:44 EDT

Gone posted : The point is that there isn't a lot of money in dumbphones.

And yeah, they'll have to migrate in a straight shot. They may say they have plans for LTE, but it will be far from a simple process.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:49 EDT

Guspaz posted : But a lot of people don't want/need smartphones. And even then, their 5MHz of downstream spectrum is good for up to 75 Mbps downstream with regular LTE. They've said they plan to migrate to LTE, although I'm not sure how. LTE supports using smaller than 5 MHz chunks, but CDMA doesn't, so it seems like they'll have to do a full migration and replace all existing phones?
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:46:22 EDT

Gone posted : Most of the doomsay surrounding Public Mobile was related specifically to the lack of bandwidth they purchased. You can't do much with PCS G alone in a world where smartphones are the biggest ARPU generator. They sort of realized that when they decided to finally do 1X data and add a few Android phones.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:36:39 EDT

Guspaz posted : Wind's growth has been extremely stable, adding on average 40-45k customers per quarter... And they've had some spikes since then too, adding 40k in the month over Christmas alone. It seems to me like they're doing pretty decently... They're up to 600k customers and still growing.

As for the public mobile doom-and-gloom, I never got that. They've had a unique and attractive offering since they launched that no other carrier has matched (and in Quebec they had even less competition), so I don't understand the doomsayers. I haven't seen any figures for 2012, but they were also seeing very strong growth (40-45k per quarter) for the latter half of 2011.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:28:23 EDT

Gone posted :

said by Guspaz:

That article is four and a half months old...

Right, and the last time they were on record as saying they wanted out of the Canadian market was before the foreign ownership rules changed. The whole reason they wanted out was specifically because of that.

This kind of rampant speculation is typical any time there is any sort of structural or ownership change at a major company. Hell, people are now all going crazy thinking Rogers is going to take a move on Cogeco because they're buying up the former Mountain Cable areas of Shaw. People have been saying that Rogers is going to buy Cogeco for more than a decade now, and yet nothing has happened.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:21:36 EDT

Guspaz posted :

said by silvercat:

Not from reading this article, i don't think so:

Wind's big backer says it's here to stay
»m.theglobeandmail.com/technology···e=mobile

That article is four and a half months old...
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:13:49 EDT

silvercat posted :

said by jpaik:

The parent company is seeing Canada as a market to leave asap.
...

Not from reading this article, i don't think so:

Wind's big backer says it's here to stay
»m.theglobeandmail.com/technology···e=mobile

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:00:59 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by got_milk:

Wind's home network zone is still very small and a lack of LTE will begin to hurt them soon, if it's not hurting them now.

Very few people are getting service from the big 3 *just* because they have LTE. Wind's cell sites are fairly easily upgraded to LTE - it just doesn't make sense to do so now. Perhaps in a couple of years people would leave a carrier that doesn't have LTE then, but not so much now.

While Wind's network coverage is relatively small, they do cover a large percentage of Canada's urban population, and a decent portion of the most heavily traveled routes. Wind has been pretty good about expanding coverage (slowly) and filling in gaps in areas that need work. But there is no question that some areas still need work, ie. some I know of are 401 east of Guelph has a Wind dead zone, as does 420 half-way between Niagara Falls and Ft. Erie.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:58:00 EDT

jpaik posted : The parent company is seeing Canada as a market to leave asap.

AFAIK, the regs prevent Wind from being sold to an incumbent company until 2014. I predict that Wind's owners will petition cabinet to change those rules. If unsuccessful, one of the incumbents will buy Wind on Jan 2, 2014.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:46:19 EDT

elwoodblues posted :

said by got_milk:

said by infamouskid:

You can't become Bell/Rogers/Telus overnight, it'll take decades and billions to build an infrastructure to effectively compete with those three.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:30:27 EDT

silvercat posted :

said by got_milk:

I have a hard time believing they would sell. They knew from the beginning it would take a lot of money to build out the infrastructure to compete with Rogers / Bell / Telus.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:55:18 EDT

graniterock posted :

said by infamouskid:

I would be curious to know how they did over Christmas. I certainly heard of quite a few people sign up for them. They have only been here in London for just over a year. There are many people waiting out their 3 year contracts planning on switching.

If only Wind was able to get some spectrum so that they could offer iPhones they would bet set. It is the one thing that seems to be impeding quite a few people I know.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:29:13 EDT

got_milk posted :

said by infamouskid:

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:10:28 EDT

bt posted :

said by cog_biz_user:

Oh boy, just what we need, more ammo for RoBellUs to petition the CRTC to kick Wind out... :huh:

The rules changed since then, it doesn't provide them any ammo at all.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:33:49 EDT

infamouskid posted : i was reffering to mr sawaris
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:16:52 EDT

xtachx posted :

said by infamouskid:

they just had their best quarter

No they didnt.

i mean this is the same company who had their CEO say "We will make pain, and they will suffer" in a live interview

He has been fired as of 2 days ago.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:09:08 EDT

cog_biz_user posted :

said by bt:

Deal requires regulatory approval, but it would see Orascom assume ~~full~~ 99.3% ownership.

Oh boy, just what we need, more ammo for RoBellUs to petition the CRTC to kick Wind out... :huh:

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:45:28 EDT

infamouskid posted : i really don't see that happening.
with the way things are looking now wind is in a position to buy up the other smaller guys. they already have 600k subs.
the only time they would sell is if they are not gaining anything in market right now. but as long as they continue to grow each quarter there is no reason to sell.
they just had their best quarter and their sub base size has grown by more then 50% in the last year. now they are going for full control.
i would say this is more of a strategic move to deepen their pockets for some ammunition against the incumbents. i mean this is the same company who had their CEO say "We will make pain, and they will suffer" in a live interview. that sounds more like they want payback for what happened when they opened doors rather then them wanting to sell.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:36:37 EDT

xtachx posted :

said by infamouskid:

i dont see vimpel/orascom selling out.
these guys are here for the long game.

Vimpelcom has grouped its markets into several classes. Wind canada falls in the same class as their south east asia and africa markets. Now they are planning to sell south asia and africa and upgrade italy and russia to LTE.

Orascom also said that they want to get out of canada and vimpelcom indirectly said that. Wind canada for them is a bottomless pit, and why should they invest more, if they cant see an ROI.

However, I might be wrong in assuming that they will sell wind. But, one thing is for sure, if wind does not buy any 700 spectrum, they will be up for sale. In fact I think, wind will be up for sale before end 2013.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:19:37 EDT

infamouskid posted : i dont see vimpel/orascom selling out.
these guys are here for the long game.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:06:55 EDT

Gone posted : Someone will buy Wind, but it won't be Rogers.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:45:49 EDT

xtachx posted :

said by BliZZardX:

Good news. They don't have any excuses for poor service anymore, they have been underwhelming up to now. I want to see them tear up this market.

Wind was actually one of the worst providers I have ever tried. Hopefully, now with Lacavera out of the picture, they can stop pretending they are "canadian", and actually provide some better service.

However, mark my words, in 2014, Rogers will buy Wind. Orascom wants out of canada, and focus on markets like italy and russia.
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Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:28:09 EDT

funny posted :

said by Gone:

said by funny:

the self delusion that foreign ownership WILL translate into lower prices continues....what idiot company would take vastly lower profits when it can co-exist and make its share holders oddles a cash is beyond me.

You don't win market share with the same prices as everyone else. Furthermore, there is plenty of money to be paid in the wireless market at lower prices than the Big 3 so long as a company has pockets for long-term outlook and investment.

The fact that the floodgates are open to foreign investment drastically changes the dynamics of the wireless market in this country. Orascom could built out a full national network and charge 25% less than the Big 3 for similar and/or better plans and still make out like a bandit once the debt begins to mature. The key is waiting for that debt to mature. A small Canadian startup can't do that. One of the largest international wireless companies in the world can.

lol ya seen the price a gas at your pumps lately?
is there a load a difference between broad band in the usa? The supposed free market people ....

all your gonna get is a bunch a greedy companies sink there teeth in and then sit back raking in the cash. MARK my words it wont lead to cheaper net it will lead to more restricted use internet

AND whom are you going to protest or whine about when the ISP is located 1000 miles or more outside of canada?
NO really what ya gonna do then ....

gone on every isp is the days you could run servers your selves
its against terms , no wonder they have to outsource ...no one can do any learning on the cheap any more.

gone are the days of no caps you will never see the big boys go unlimited its just been too much money and any new corporation and its shareholders all they want is a piece a the action ...

OHHH yes for a small time you will get a novis/shaw style fight until the novis is wiped out and hte big corporation can resume crazy prices. THAT ONE battle will tell you what will happen after a small outfit is rumbled to death....no large corporation is gonna barely make money to make you happy. UNLESS IT IS FORCED TOO.

go google the reasons why liberals brought in that foreign ownership stuff. ENLIGHTEN YOURSELF and quit listening to americans they just trying to pull a scam to get themselves some of our money.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:26:34 EDT

Gone posted :

said by koreyb:

In DT where 4g towers have been upgraded, it's BLAZING fast.. Was shocked as it's not LTE.

Yeah, sometimes if you're lucky withe dual channel HSPA T-Mobile network can produce some impressive results over in the US, 20Mbit/s real-world or so.

Then again, I pulled 50Mbit/s over Rogers LTE on my SGS3 in Niagara Falls earlier today. I was getting high 40s in St. Catharines about an hour before. That's faster than my goddamn wired Internet connection at home.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:54:05 EDT

koreyb posted : I have had Wind since Dec 2010... I can tell you... from experience, their network has improved 10 fold in Toronto.. especially in the last year.. I have a Galaxy Nexus, and haven't had any real issues. I feel though they need to get the 4g upgrades moving along much faster... as 3.5g is putting them very behind. In DT where 4g towers have been upgraded, it's BLAZING fast.. Was shocked as it's not LTE.

On a Billing side, I LOVE knowing my bill will always be 40.00 a month.. (I have the Holiday/Wish 40 plan). Even at 50.00 it's a great deal.

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:52:31 EDT

Gone posted :

said by funny:

Re: Okay, NOW Wind will definitely be foreign owned

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:03:13 EDT

funny posted : the self delusion that foreign ownership WILL translate into lower prices continues....what idiot company would take vastly lower profits when it can co-exist and make its share holders oddles a cash is beyond me.

YUP WIND's owner had financial probs now he wont....
think about cogeco as perfect example.
WHERE they had to actually compete , not only could then not afford to but came to canada and used funds here to keep going and finally used it to buy into the usa market and dump that portugal service.

thats whats gonna happen he will keep status quo here....and use it to lower his other services world wide.
and of course making sick profits in process.

the liberals made these rules for a reason to protect us all
wtf is this about????????
( AND WTF IS THIS WEBSITE DOING LATELY "this website is looking for information according to google chrome )then the post area freezes up and i have to select all and restart again.