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aefstoggaflm
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People do not steal GPS(s) anymore?

I heard that I know that people do not steal GPS anymore, because GPS(s) are some common/every body has them.

I was just wondering, is that true.

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I doubt there is very little that isn't stolen. If you mean is it less rampant; maybe.



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Money is pretty common, people without it still steal it if they are so inclined.

The type of people who smash and grab this stuff don't do it because they want some rare or needed item. They do it mostly so they can sell it and use the money for the things they really want (drugs).


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I think what you are referring to is stand-alone GPS receivers. I believe they are not stolen as much because there are not as many of them around. Most people have GPS on their phone or built into their car so there isn't much reason to buy a separate unit. Also, GPS devices are not as valuable as they used to be.

I read in one of those techie articles that stand alone GPS receivers are a fading technology.

So to answer your question, I say yes...everybody has them so they are not a hot item.



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Map updates are expensive, most people buying hot items want an updated map, otherwise, it's cheaper to go to Wal*Mart and buy one for $50. (and maps are closer to $100)

How often do we see ink-jets on the stolen market?

Exactly.
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Jeff, most mid to high end units come with LTM these days. I would surmise most people remove them from vehicles when they leave.

To add, dedicated GPS' will surpass a smartphone any day of the week. Just my opinion though, from someone that owns two high end devices...
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Does LTM require an account? Not that it would make a huge difference. My guess is that thieves may not know the difference between the two. My car was broken into a couple years ago, the satellite radio and GPS were left untouched. The iPod (Nano) was taken.

Glad they left the s-radio though..it accidentally got white listed.
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Yes, lifetime maps do have an account attached, as you have to register the unit to get them.



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I bought a TomTom with LTM and the device/LTM is linked to my account and the LTM is non-transferable.

Doesn't matter too much how valuable GPS is these days if the thief can make a buck they'll smash and grab given the opportunity. The cost to the owner for the replacement of the GPS and window is not their worry. I don't leave it in my car when I don't need it anyway but I leave the charger in there. If I have a surprise need for directions I'll use my phone.
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How much do those GPS's set you back?



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My Garmin 3790 was $300 new, and my 775T was $330 new, but it has Euro maps as well. The satellites provide the signal, and no cell data is required at all. All maps are stored on the device.

I realize not everyone needs a dedicated device, and a cell may suffice for some people. My job takes me to areas where I need a reliable position, and cell service is not available always.
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$150 for a TT 350XL w/ lifetime maps. Still use it and keep the map up to date.

Smartphones are good if you stay in areas with excellent coverage... moreso of you have a shitty network it'll have a hard time keeping up.
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said by J E F F:

Map updates are expensive, most people buying hot items want an updated map...

I can't imagine people in the market for "hot" items being that picky.

I would never think that thieves are picking and choosing what to take and what not to take. If it's small and electronic, they'll probably take it. We left our car unlocked one time and someone took a video game borrowed from a local library (clearly marked on the case and the disc that it belonged to a library - odds of selling that would be real slim, I think) and two phone chargers.


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said by J E F F:

Map updates are expensive...

Not really, just $60 CDN if you have a device that doesn't include LMT.

»www.gpscity.ca/garmin-numaps-nor···tes.html
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I sold mine, cheap. I only need GPS for astronomy positions. Most of the time, it's off on the phone. I don't travel, and when I do, the towns I like are so small, you can't get lost.

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Re: People do not steal GPS(s) anymore?

said by Juggernaut:

The satellites provide the signal, and no cell data is required at all. All maps are stored on the device.

How does that differ from a smartphone operating in off-line mode?

Cellphone coverage at my cottage is spotty in places and so I downloaded all the maps I need to my smartphone over Wi-Fi and operate my cells GPS with several mapping programs (depending on whether I'm hiking, driving or boating) in offline mode. Never had an issue and accuracy is better then 10 feet most of the time. Best of all no cell data charges are incurred.


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It differs because I don't need to DL "all the maps over wifi".

My Garmin's coverage maps:

Includes coverage of the US, including:

* Canada
* Mexico
* Puerto Rico
* U.S. Virgin Islands
* Cayman Islands
* The Bahamas
* French Guiana
* Guadeloupe
* Martinique
* Saint Barthélemy
* Jamaica

That doesn't even include Euro maps. The point I'm trying to make is, a dedicated device is far better. For those that need it on occasion, a cell will be just fine.
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That's all you get after paying a few hundred bucks?

Just looking at one of my mapping apps, Osmand, I can download for free vector maps for most of the world. This would include many of the countries in Europe, Asia, Oceania, Africa, South America, Central America (including maps for many of the islands in the Caribbean).

As for having the additional burden of downloading these maps, I find the burden to be minimal. Having fast Wi-Fi it takes at most a few minutes and you have the additional benefit of having an up-to-date map. Having the whole world on my hand-held device would be impractical for me on my current phone(although it will be practical soon) since the map for Japan alone is some 655 MB in size.

You say that having a dedicated device is far better. Perhaps in some narrow applications but in most instances it certainly isn't far better and could be far worse because of the burden of carrying and maintaining an additional device. In addition the features just keep getting better and better on the smartphone apps with every update and far surpass those offered by any of the early dedicated devices. Moreover if you're using voice navigation what difference does it make if it is dedicated or not?

Taking a quick peek at the specs for your two Garmin devices, I don't see the ability to track GLONASS birds while my lowly cellphone has had that ability for over a year.

Ultimately the fate of the dedicated GPS device will be decided by the marketplace and my bet is that it will become at best a very small specialist niche market 10 years from now.



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I guess you missed this early in the thread, eh?

said by Juggernaut:

I realize not everyone needs a dedicated device, and a cell may suffice for some people. My job takes me to areas where I need a reliable position, and cell service is not available always.

That's my choice, and your cell is yours.
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I saw it and that's what led me to post on this topic. I was left with the impression after reading it that you believed that cell phone coverage was necessary for your phone's GPS and associated mapping functions to work. (BTW, when I was getting my cell phone that was what the sales guy told me but he was wrong) My intention was to point out that it was not the case and your phone's mapping and GPS works perfectly well with no cell signal.

I respect your choice of devices but I seriously wonder if you will have that choice ten years from now.



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I don't think dedicated devices will disappear anytime soon.


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I said ten years. If you consider that to be soon then we disagree on another point.

The problem with consumer electronics is that it is all volume driven with great price/performance derived from ever increasing economies of scale. Once you lose most of your market it is tough to keep an up-to-date product at a reasonable price. Moreover with the phenomenal size, innovation and competition demonstrated by the smart-phone market, few hand-held, dedicated devices if any will survive the smart-phone onslaught 10 years from now.



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However, car sat navs wouldn't be rising in popularity if that were the case. I guess we'll see in 10 years.


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The car GPS is a special case and will be around for a while. The reason being that all the driverless car systems to date rely on it. Also it is not a hand-held device so my point still stands.

I would however turn your attention to the boating world which tablet PCs have taken by storm. Many people are foregoing(or even ditching) buying expensive dedicated GPS displays for their boats in favour of these tablets. With the ever growing screensize of smartphones (at CES they showed smartphones with 6.1 inch displays!) the tablet may become redundant in the future and the smartphone become the dominant navigating tool even in this application.