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AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to Rojo

Re: Kim Dotcom's New Mega Service

said by Rojo:

Registered (finally) OK. Logged in (finally) OK.

Tried to upload a test file around 400MB. Said free account is limited to 50MB. And it didn't like my browser.

Tried uploading the same file with Firefox. Didn't object to the browser or size this time, but the upload failed anyway.

They keep pushing Chrome as the only acceptable browser. Hope all this is just start up pains.

I finally got past the cogs turning in Chrome when trying to load the Mega site! Unfortunately when I tried to upload a 900 Byte test file, it stalled at 0% uploaded and infinity as the estimated remaining time. Next time I will try something smaller like a 10 Byte file. Were you able to load your test file at last?

Rojo

join:2009-04-14
New York, NY
kudos:1
No. I shut down and lost interest.

Bananafarmer

join:2012-12-14
reply to AndrewW
i got registered fine, havnt attempted an upload as yet.

i hear reports of a lot of infringing material already online on the service. will be an interesting watch.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
but being as everything is uploaded encrypted can kim and crew even tell if someone uploads copyrighted work? If that is the case I look for them to get sued by the government again and saying CP pervs are using the serve.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1

1 recommendation

Initially I believed that everything uploaded was encrypted and Mega had no way of telling what it was since they did not retain any keys for decrypting. However it is difficult to see how this can be true when Mega states it will delete your upload if it detects that your uploaded file has already been uploaded by someone else at which point you will have access to someone else's upload instead of the file you uploaded. How can they determine if the files are identical if they do not have the encryption keys?

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to Bananafarmer
said by Bananafarmer:

i got registered fine, havnt attempted an upload as yet.

i hear reports of a lot of infringing material already online on the service. will be an interesting watch.

I've seen some of these early reports as well. I believe the reports so far are by alarmists in the copyright protection business and of questionable validity. For large scale infringing to be occurring the first thing that needs to happen is the ability to upload files to Mega. Since I can't even upload a 900 byte text file as of now, it is hard to believe that any infringing is going on at present.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
hell I never got my email after joining the site to click the link to start my account. Interesting on the file thing that is one thing that got them the first time they would not remove the copyright file but just the link to it then make it available again when someone tried to upload it again.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to AndrewW
Have any of you read the privacy policy and ToS yet? Doesn't look like your personal info is exactly private or safe.

Also on top of that, they can terminate your service, delete your files (even if they may be legit/legal), and you are responsible for users who may have your key.

quote:
We reserve the right to remove data alleged to be infringing without prior notice, at our sole discretion, and without liability to you. In appropriate circumstances, we will will also terminate your account if you are determined to be a repeat infringer. Our designated copyright agent for notice of alleged copyright infringement is:

quote:
43. We reserve the right to disclose data and other information as required by law.



TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
yeah that has been talked about. What I want to know if the files are so called encrypted how do they know WTF you uploaded?

Really all you got to do is just give the keys to people you know or on a site then just encrypt the file itself before you upload it and put that key on the site or give it to your buddy's.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
I just don't see the value in it, considering. I could probably get a file locker much cheaper, if I wanted to, somewhere else, if I just wanted to share with my buddies. RAR encrypt it, reame it to something very obscure, send link and password to buddies, done. Or do same and upload to Usenet and send buddy nzb with rar password.


habskilla

join:2005-09-19
Moncton, NB
reply to AndrewW
Wonder what would happen here?

Create a dummy 10 GB file and name it The Dark Knight Rises (2012).rar

Will that get deleted?
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»speedtest.net/result/2032867059.png


90115534
Someone is sabotaging me.Finding out who
Premium
join:2001-06-03
Kenner, LA
said by habskilla:

Wonder what would happen here?

Create a dummy 10 GB file and name it The Dark Knight Rises (2012).rar

Will that get deleted?

Great idea! Someone should try it.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to sandman_1
said by sandman_1:

Have any of you read the privacy policy and ToS yet? Doesn't look like your personal info is exactly private or safe.

Also on top of that, they can terminate your service, delete your files (even if they may be legit/legal), and you are responsible for users who may have your key.

quote:
We reserve the right to remove data alleged to be infringing without prior notice, at our sole discretion, and without liability to you. In appropriate circumstances, we will will also terminate your account if you are determined to be a repeat infringer. Our designated copyright agent for notice of alleged copyright infringement is:

quote:
43. We reserve the right to disclose data and other information as required by law.

I read the TOS and I must say it is not very encouraging if you really have privacy concerns or want to have totally reliable backup.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to habskilla
said by habskilla:

Wonder what would happen here?

Create a dummy 10 GB file and name it The Dark Knight Rises (2012).rar

Will that get deleted?

Great idea but first you have to be able to upload something which I haven't as of yet been able to do even with a small text file. Still wondering how they are able to identify what has been uploaded without allegedly being able to decrypt it.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to AndrewW
Update: I have finally been able to upload a file at a whopping 36.9 KB/sec meaning it would take over 3 days to upload a 10 GB file.


90115534
Someone is sabotaging me.Finding out who
Premium
join:2001-06-03
Kenner, LA
said by AndrewW:

Update: I have finally been able to upload a file at a whopping 36.9 KB/sec meaning it would take over 3 days to upload a 10 GB file.


sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to AndrewW
Wow, what a "Mega" fail on their part. I feel bad for you guys that signed up.


Kosh
We are all Kosh
Premium
join:2005-11-16
Z'ha'dum
Reviews:
·CenturyLink
Why is that? I lose nothing for signing up except for a few moments of my time. If they do improve, I'll have another place to store non-essential junk. Like linux distros. Yeah.
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"I'm just a human being trying to make it in a world that is very rapidly losing its understanding of being human." - John Trudell

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to AndrewW
Thank god for those linux distros and file lockers everywhere to store them on.


habskilla

join:2005-09-19
Moncton, NB
reply to AndrewW
Looks like they got their bandwidth issues sorted out. I'm uploading files at a steady 1.2MB/s. I'll create a 10 GB file and upload it tonight.
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»speedtest.net/result/2032867059.png

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
That's great to hear. You inspired me to try to upload a 200 MB file. It started uploading at about 400KB/sec and slowly went up to about 1 MB/sec, stalled for about a minute and then resumed at 1.2 MB/sec until the upload was finished. Looks like there is hope for this service after all.

Keep us posted on how it goes with your upload.

komal

join:2003-02-16
reply to AndrewW
said by AndrewW:

Initially I believed that everything uploaded was encrypted and Mega had no way of telling what it was since they did not retain any keys for decrypting. However it is difficult to see how this can be true when Mega states it will delete your upload if it detects that your uploaded file has already been uploaded by someone else at which point you will have access to someone else's upload instead of the file you uploaded. How can they determine if the files are identical if they do not have the encryption keys?

What? Seriously?

You'd do it the exact same was as if the file wasn't encrypted, you'd compare it to another file.

Realistically, its done with hashes.

But I just wanted to point out what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

An encrypted file is just as unique as an unecrypted file.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
Seriously? Ya, seriously.

If you have trouble understanding what I have written perhaps you may better understand what Arstechnica wrote on the subject when they stated, 'If Mega only sees encrypted data, which by definition is all completely unique, how then can they be "deduplicating" it? Is something fishy going on?'. See here, »arstechnica.com/business/2013/01···ryption/ , and Mega's response here, »t.co/lNWa1KCP . The Hacker News debate is here, »news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5084261 and has not been settled.

Note from Mega's response they suggest that this removal would only happen if by some very, very remote chance the SAME RANDOM 128 BIT KEY were used in the encryption process on the same file multiple times or if the encrypted file was moved to other folders or users. This suggests that deduplication by Mega would happen rarely.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
I think it's more they want to cover their ass just a little bit too. Lets face it the guy would love to hurt the MPAA and RIAA all he could after what they did to him.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to TOPDAWG
said by TOPDAWG:

hell I never got my email after joining the site to click the link to start my account.

Did you finally get your confirmation e-mail? According to Kim Dotcom some mail services are blocking Mega's e-mails including Hotmail.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to AndrewW
Although Mega seems to be a Mega hit with millions signing up, it would appear those living in North America are not as enthusiastic about the service. The top five countries using the service so far are Spain, Brazil, France, Netherlands & New Zealand with Germany pulling up fast. I wonder if spotty upload speeds in North America are to blame. I find that uploads start slow with frequent stalling but finish quite strong.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3

1 edit
reply to AndrewW
nopes. I'll just make an account with my gmail then. ok signed up with my gmail account email come in an instant. damn 50GB for free that is a lot.

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
That 50 gigs sure is nice. I look forward to some of the other stuff that may be coming soon.

Apparently one of Mega's partners is working on an API app that would allow for the streaming of encrypted video through this service. If the thing works and they get their bandwidth issues sorted out then this could be really interesting. May get the copyright folks really worked up. Already Mega's inaugural video has been pulled (at least temporarily and is now restored after Kim filed a counterclaim against YouTube) from YouTube at the demand of one of the music rights groups(GEMA).

Davy49

join:2007-04-10
Waxahachie, TX
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to AndrewW
Hello All,
I signed up for a 'free' account @ »mega.co.nz/ , it states the following in the 'help centre area under basics': " How do I install MEGA?
You do not need to install anything. MEGA is entirely browser based and works with all current major browsers. To unleash MEGA's full potential, we strongly urge you to use Google Chrome only."
I can atest to the fact that the software does indeed work MUCH better on google chrome, when trying to use it with ms internet explorer, I keep receiving a 'popup' stating due to HTML5 issue's with internet explorer, use the google chrome browser.
David

AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
Hi David,

I've been using Google Chrome right from the start and had slow speed/stalling issues which have finally disappeared. Today's 1 gig upload was buttery smooth at 1.2 MB/sec throughout. I believe the earlier issues were upstream of me and not issues on my computer. It is not surprising that Mega had bandwidth issues handling the global flood of data of biblical proportions that hit their servers.

Speaking of which, if most of the uploaded files to Mega are infringing then the copyright police have a huge job ahead of them given that tens of millions of file have been uploaded (some 500 every second) with only 50 takedown requests implying a takedown rate of only one in a million files which are lottery odds basically. To keep up, the take down police would have to file 500 takedown requests a second which would seem to be nearly impossible or at least cost prohibitive. Even if only 10% of the files were infringing and they knew which ones they were, they would still have to take down about 180,000 files per hour 24/7. That is what is more commonly known as an exercise in futility.

On a side note, Kim Dotcom may have to be ever more vigilant as pertaining to his safety as a loose wire may be responsible for bringing down his chopper yesterday. Was this a accident or someone sending him a message?