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resa1983
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reply to elitefx

Re: How does TSI offer unlimited?

In well-managed networks, congestion isn't an issue.

Rogers isn't well-managed.
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elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
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said by resa1983:

In well-managed networks, congestion isn't an issue.

Rogers isn't well-managed.

Yes, but think about it. Rogers is Canada's largest broadband provider and as such, represents us on the world stage. For Canada to be rated 39th worldwide on the Internet stage is deplorable. The government should step in and force Rogers to either "step up or step out".

This is of national importance and having 3rd world Internet access because of Rogers ineptitude is a national disgrace. We cannot let Rogers drag Canada into a black hole of Internet and information dispersal any longer.

In times of crisis all we'll have is the Internet to conduct matters of national security and survival.

Rogers cannot be allowed to be the root cause of the demise of Canada's ability to conduct business and transmit data in a timely and effectual online world.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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said by elitefx:

Yes, but think about it. Rogers is Canada's largest broadband provider and as such, represents us on the world stage. For Canada to be rated 39th worldwide on the Internet stage is deplorable. The government should step in and force Rogers to either "step up or step out".

This is of national importance and having 3rd world Internet access because of Rogers ineptitude is a national disgrace. We cannot let Rogers drag Canada into a black hole of Internet and information dispersal any longer.

In times of crisis all we'll have is the Internet to conduct matters of national security and survival.

Rogers cannot be allowed to be the root cause of the demise of Canada's ability to conduct business and transmit data in a timely and effectual online world.

Bell is actually Canada's largest broadband provider.


LazMan
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reply to elitefx

said by elitefx:

said by resa1983:

In well-managed networks, congestion isn't an issue.

Rogers isn't well-managed.

In times of crisis all we'll have is the Internet to conduct matters of national security and survival.

Rogers cannot be allowed to be the root cause of the demise of Canada's ability to conduct business and transmit data in a timely and effectual online world.

I'm in the business, and I think Roger's doesn't actually do too badly.

Managing a network with 1.9 million end users is challenging... What exactly do you feel they are doing that is "inept" and leading to the "demise of Canada's ability to conduct business"?


LazMan
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reply to yyzlhr

said by yyzlhr:

Bell is actually Canada's largest broadband provider.

Bell at ~3 Million internet subs leads the list, followed by Rogers at 1.9 million, Shaw at 1.8 million, TELUS at 1.3 million and Videotron with 1.1 million.

I couldn't find numbers for Tek... Any idea how many subs they have?


elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
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reply to LazMan

said by LazMan:

Managing a network with 1.9 million end users is challenging... What exactly do you feel they are doing that is "inept" and leading to the "demise of Canada's ability to conduct business"?

Better put: Common sense dictates having one company control the flow of information in a country as large as Canada, or any country really, is bad for competition, pricing, bandwidth costs and technological upgrade expenditures etc.

Bell and Rogers are for all intents and purposes one entity under 2 business , though legally separate, divisions. Their unified strategic attempt in purchasing MLSE was all the final proof anyone needed. It was a very public statement that together they stand.
Both control a separate arm of the internet service/bandwidth pricing structure in Canada. It is obvious price fixing is alive and well today. Rogers/Bell will back each other to the hilt. It is in their best business interest to do so.

How the Competition Bureau has allowed things to degrade this far and allow the Rogers/Bell conglomerate to monopolize Canada's data transmission services should be the subject of a full parliamentary investigation.


LazMan
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Wow - me thinks your tinfoil hat's on a little tight today...

The MLSE deal was to control content; and more an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of deal, then collusion, in my opinion...

Plus, you didn't actually answer my question, of what are they doing that's inept or leading to the demise of Canada's ability to conduct business. Which were your initial statements, BTW...



elitefx

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said by LazMan:

Wow - me thinks your tinfoil hat's on a little tight today...

Insults will get you nowhere Bud. As they say " the proof is in the pudding".

We'll see who's right as time goes on................

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by elitefx:

said by LazMan:

Wow - me thinks your tinfoil hat's on a little tight today...

Insults will get you nowhere Bud.

Can't help it if it is true.


DarkStar33

join:2008-03-27
Toronto, ON
reply to LazMan

said by LazMan:

Managing a network with 1.9 million end users is challenging... What exactly do you feel they are doing that is "inept" and leading to the "demise of Canada's ability to conduct business"?

Regardless of the size of your network the investment should be along the same lines. Larger networks are often more efficient per user if you do them correctly.

If you are doing it right 0.9M, 1.9M and 10.9M really is not that big of a change if you invest correctly.

Chances are Rogers technical team is 1/3 of the size it should be and network development 5-10 years behind.
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TypeS

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Actually, that is probably not true. It's more likely they drag their feet in upgrading network hardware to add capacity when it's needed in order to maximize profits.

Most NA carriers will upgrade hardware on their networks as late as they can while still continuing to advertise their services at speeds that are oversubscribed.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by TypeS:

Actually, that is probably not true. It's more likely they drag their feet in upgrading network hardware to add capacity when it's needed in order to maximize profits.

Most NA carriers will upgrade hardware on their networks as late as they can while still continuing to advertise their services at speeds that are oversubscribed.

To me that is pretty obvious.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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reply to DarkStar33

said by DarkStar33:

Chances are Rogers technical team is 1/3 of the size it should be and network development 5-10 years behind.

In North American standards, the Rogers HFC network is much more advanced than most MSOs on this side of the hemisphere.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by yyzlhr:

In North American standards, the Rogers HFC network is much more advanced than most MSOs on this side of the hemisphere.

Rogers/Shaw and Videotron are doing a pretty good job at downstream speeds but Rogers and more so Shaw are quite weak for upstream speeds. Comcast is the only US MSO that over all is doing a better job. One area they're ahead of everyone else is the push to move customers to their IPTV based infrastructure and according to them their time line is to migrate within the next 3 years. I think that is pretty darn optimistic but we'll see.

resa1983
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reply to LazMan

said by LazMan:

said by elitefx:

said by resa1983:

In well-managed networks, congestion isn't an issue.

Rogers isn't well-managed.

In times of crisis all we'll have is the Internet to conduct matters of national security and survival.

Rogers cannot be allowed to be the root cause of the demise of Canada's ability to conduct business and transmit data in a timely and effectual online world.

I'm in the business, and I think Roger's doesn't actually do too badly.

Managing a network with 1.9 million end users is challenging... What exactly do you feel they are doing that is "inept" and leading to the "demise of Canada's ability to conduct business"?

I so missed this post before. How about this:

Stating that they monitor their network, and begin upgrades before they're needed, so they're completed before congestion becomes a problem. Complete BS.

An entire POI was only being served by 3gbps - they denied upgrades to TPIA because they didn't have enough capacity for themselves, let alone TPIA due to lack of upgrades. Kitchener/Waterloo POI sometime back in 2011

Having a local node fail over & over - just doing patch jobs on the bloody thing. Refusing to do any significant work on it. I was stuck on that node until I moved. Massive congestion on this local node due to way too many houses, multiple apartment buildings, and multiple sets of row townhomes being on it - and this was before Rogers increased their speeds causing network-wide congestion.

While we're on that. Network-wide congestion from them increasing speeds to all (Retail & TPIA), then scrambling afterwards to do node splits.

Failure to abide by ITMP policy (for years on end), and getting caught red-handed multiple times.

Lack of network upgrades and relying on throttling to manage their network (ie against ITMP policy).

Leading of course to Rogers being forced to do more node splits to be able to remove throttling, to get the CRTC Enforcements Division off their ass.

Hell, and that's only the last 2 years. :\
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MacGyver
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reply to LazMan

said by LazMan:

I couldn't find numbers for Tek... Any idea how many subs they have?

I think Marc mentioned it in the 15 year anniversary celebrations: 200k

InvalidError

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said by MacGyver:

said by LazMan:

I couldn't find numbers for Tek... Any idea how many subs they have?

I think Marc mentioned it in the 15 year anniversary celebrations: 200k

So about 3X what they had back when they were Bell-GAS only.


eh

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reply to elitefx

said by elitefx:

In times of crisis all we'll have is the Internet to conduct matters of national security and survival.

In a crisis the internet will be down, just like Bell and Rogers cell network goes down in the smallest of situations.

I think you must be very young if you think you need the internet to survive, or think you and the ISP will even have electricity in a real crisis.

If a tiny earthquake in Gatineau can bring all cell communications to a halt in both Ottawa (nation's capital) and Gatineau, I think you will be in for a rude awaking when a real crisis does happen that is a matter of survival.

Sorry, can only roll my eyes at your comment.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

While we're on that. Network-wide congestion from them increasing speeds to all (Retail & TPIA), then scrambling afterwards to do node splits.

They keep doing that over and over again. They roll out upgrades to alleviate congestion then roll out higher speed tiers and it's back to congestion as nodes are overloaded.

funny

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said by LazMan:

said by yyzlhr:

Bell is actually Canada's largest broadband provider.

Bell at ~3 Million internet subs leads the list, followed by Rogers at 1.9 million, Shaw at 1.8 million, TELUS at 1.3 million and Videotron with 1.1 million.

I couldn't find numbers for Tek... Any idea how many subs they have?

hrmmm yet sandvine reported that in sept 2005 of the 24 million net accounts in canada 5.4 were using p2p at same time
and 4 months later that jumped to 9.8 million

your saying we dont even have that many internet users....
somehting aint right here....
even cbc reported last sept we had 21 million net users.


TwiztedZero
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Heh, it'd be awesome if TekSavvy's website had a little box that announced a rounded ballpark figure of the number of subscribrers overall, and a pie chart showing the percent on each of their Cable & DSL services.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to funny

said by funny:

said by LazMan:

Bell at ~3 Million internet subs leads the list, followed by Rogers at 1.9 million, Shaw at 1.8 million, TELUS at 1.3 million and Videotron with 1.1 million.

I couldn't find numbers for Tek... Any idea how many subs they have?

hrmmm yet sandvine reported that in sept 2005 of the 24 million net accounts in canada 5.4 were using p2p at same time
and 4 months later that jumped to 9.8 million

your saying we dont even have that many internet users....
somehting aint right here....
even cbc reported last sept we had 21 million net users.

It's not as if what he listed above is all of the providers in Canada or all possible methods of accessing the Internet but is only wired broadband customers. Are you really this dense?


LazMan
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said by 34764170:

said by funny:

somehting aint right here....

Are you really this dense?

Funny = chronoss... Search old threads on here, for the answer to your question...