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Re: [NFL] Super Bowl 47 Discussion (2 weeks)

What? There's another Manning brother? Cooper Manning? WoW. I didn't know that until today haha.



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said by footballdude:

said by FFH:

And as an interesting side note PGA notable Vijay Singh has admitted using it. And that may get him suspended from PGA Tour for up to 1 yr.

I'm actually surprised that the PGA has a banned substance list. Being all hopped up on roids wouldn't help a golf swing much.

Pga drug list is more interested in drugs that can calm the nerves - things that can cure the yips on the putting green.

Heard a quote from David Feherty. "If they ever find a performance enhancing drug for golf I'm going to be really pissed. Because I spent my entire career looking for one."
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said by footballdude:

said by FFH:

said by rockotman:

Love Jim Harbaugh whining for the penalty. So typical.

SF had 4 chances to get a TD with 1st and goal and didn't get it done. They lost it on their own hook.

I've always thought that throwing the ball to the corner of the end zone and hoping your guy outjumps the other guy is a sign of an offensive play caller that's run out of ideas.

Problem is - that close to the end zone that is about all there is to do unless you have a back that can carry people into the end zone.

Would have been better for the 49'ers to be on the 15 yard line.
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said by Draiman:

I just don't see how William's wasn't ejected for throwing a closed fist punch at another player. Yea it was heated on both sides but that crossed the line.

He also pushed an official. Not sure how he got away with that.


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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEXtzYqkLA8


Couple of points:

•No stiff-arm from Crabtree that I can see.
•Smith latches on before 5 yards out from line of scrimmage (5 yard line) and hangs on well into the endzone, where it looks like Crabtree tries to scrape him off.
•Rule is ref calls a hold if defender holds after 5 yards.
•Instead of change of possession, it's 4 more downs starting at the 1.
•Simms made a few dumb remarks.
•It's a hold, call it. There isn't a different set of rules for the end of the game.


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Crabtree has his right arm straightened into the defender's body and then his left on his helmet.
The defender is holding Crabtree for almost the entire route from the 1 yard line into the endzone.

The line of scrimmage is the 5 yard line.

But the refs weren't throwing flags for that the entire game, why start at the end?
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OK - you want to question officiating?

•Why wasn't an out-of-bounds hit called on the defensive player when Flacco was throwing the ball as he went out of bounds. The hit occurred well after he was OB, and the defensive player had time to pull up. That would have lead to a Baltimore 1st and goal, instead of the Ratbirds settling for a field goal.

•How about the nice acting job when Akers went down after the missed field goal.



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•Remember when Roddy White got mugged by Navarro Bowman on the 4th down at the end of the NFC championship game? No flag was shown. Bowman even admits it. That "no-call" routine goes both ways. Mike Smith didn't go all Merlot or Chardonnay after the game, did he?
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Not saying start at the end. Start at the beginning.



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That would have been my preference too.



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said by rockotman See Profile
... Mike Smith didn't go all Merlot or Chardonnay after the game, did he?

lol, wine - whine.
That was clever.
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Acting job? How is that the case? Even the commentator said it was more like roughing the punter, which would have brought a first down, not 4th down 5 yards closer. Sure, it goes both ways. Better game would be to have better officiating.



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Commentator? Phil Sims? Give me a break. He talks just to hear his own voice.

The camera doesn't lie.

Akers starts to go down before he is even touched. And the degree of touch would not have been enough to knock a man down.

Give Akers an Oscar!

[EDIT]
Isolated frames from the gif.


No contact, right leg on the ground.



Still no contact, right leg still on the ground.



Ooops... look... here comes the right leg up... Oh help me... I've been roughed...



I'd like to thank the Academy...

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said by Rook008:

Crabtree has his left arm straightened into the defender's body and then his right on his helmet.
The defender is holding Crabtree for almost the entire route.

But the refs weren't throwing flags for that the entire game, why start at the end?

When it happened live it appeared to me Crabtree extends his arm full length and uses it to push so hard down on the defenders head ( helmet ) he pushes him to the ground

I just am not seeing what so many others are saying was a obvious holding call by the defender preventing Crabtree from getting to the ball......he looked to me like he was moving just fine while pushing hard on to the defenders helmet and chest....not to mention the ball way over everyone's head..

If the camera didn't catch Harbaugh showing his very animated holding gesture hoping to to get a call knowing they just lost...... this so called non call would not be so widely discussed today in my opinion only.

But with that said, you make a point about the refs and why start calling stuff now.

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said by rockotman:

OK - you want to question officiating?

Why wasn't an out-of-bounds hit called on the defensive player when Flacco was throwing the ball as he went out of bounds. The hit occurred well after he was OB, and the defensive player had time to pull up. That would have lead to a Baltimore 1st and goal, instead of the Ratbirds settling for a field goal.

Good one...I had forgotten about that.


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wow. degree of touch? I don't know what gif you're smoking watching. Not Simms, the other guy.



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The Ravens outplayed everyone they faced and they clearly deserved this win. Congrats Ravens fans.
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Yeah, I had to edit that post a bit after watching the replay again.

The defender seems to grab Crabtree under the right arm at the beginning while Crabtree is pushing off.

Kaepernick really had to get the ball out quick with the Ravens pass rush about to murder him, so it might have been overthrown.

Plus after the defender is on the ground he throws his hands up as if he's looking for an offensive penalty.

The way the game was being officiated up to that point in the game, I can understand the lack of a flag. Not a big deal to me.
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See my updated post above for individually isolated frames to see what gif I'm smoking.



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You guys shouldn't be smoking gifs, it's bad for you.



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23 rolls right into him. Maybe a good idea to let your cleats loose from the ground, if you don't want a broken something. Ya follow?



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The point is, that is a dive. He is already on his way down when 23 touches his left leg. Do YOU follow?
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I took some screenshots just to show flight of ball and where it landed..

In screenshot 1 you can see the defender has already been pushed to the ground by Crabtree.....and the ball is nowhere in sight.....Crabtree has clear sailing to the ball......and then other screenshots and the final one showing where the ball landed. Look how far out of bounds the ball finally lands.

Again, just doing this cause I like that I can take screenshots


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said by sailor:

...
Again, just doing this cause I like that I can take screenshots

lol
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You miss the point. Doesn't matter if the kicker loses his balance or just falls. If the defender runs into him, unless he's blocked into him, it's a foul.



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The real reason I was rooting for the Ratbirds?



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However, when it behooved Harbaugh to ease back from the officiating issue, try to appreciate one of the best Super Bowls ever played, put the spotlight on his brother, and shine the bad stuff on for another day, the man Mike Ditka once called the most competitive player he ever coached just couldn't do it.

"You know, I really want to handle this with class and grace, and we had several opportunities in this game," Harbaugh said just a few minutes after the game ended. "We didn't play our best game, and the Ravens made a lot of plays and battled back. They competed to win. But there's no question in my mind that it was a pass interference, and hold on [Michael] Crabtree on the last one."

The play Harbaugh was talking about happened with 1:50 left in the game. The 49ers had fourth-and-goal at the Baltimore five-yard line, and after two incompletions to receiver Michael Crabtree, Kaepernick put the ball up again in Crabtree's direction. It certainly looked on the play that Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith held Crabtree's jersey long enough for a flag to be thrown, but no flag was forthcoming.

"I mean, I haven't seen the play yet," Crabtree said after the game. "I'm sure I'm going to watch film. I'm a football player. I'm going to critique myself and figure out ways to get better. I can't wait to see it on film. I was just really determined to make the play, and he got his hands on me. I feel like he got his hands on me, and I guess the refs said he made a good play."

»sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd···nfl.html



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said by rockotman:

The real reason I was rooting for the Ratbirds?

[att=1]

ROFLMAO!!!!

I am so printing that pic and posting on my work area.
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Considering where you live, you ought to replace the SF logo with a Cowboys logo.



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It was a great SuperBowl, going down to the wire.
Though my favorite one is, of course, SuperBowl 42.



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Nice one.
And I'm sure there is a caption somewhere of the same pic comparing the two kids to the Harbaugh brothers.