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1 edit | TWC needs to highlight medical industy incompetentcy first. Before the media and government ass kissers attack the gun proponents the media and government should be targeting the medical industry, where according to statistics they kill 98,000 patients due to medical malpractice and medical mistakes each year. If Ten Percent of those killed were children then the medical industry killed 9800 children last year, a lot more dead children than guns caused. The only time one hears about the medical industry incompetency is when a celebrities child is killed or maimed by an incompetent, indifferent or careless medical professional.
When someone with a gun kills or maims someone they are subject to immediate sanctions. When a medical professional kills or maims a patient it is called an honest mistake and they can go on screwing up patients, with the loss prevention department of the medical facility covering for them. of the The gun issue is simply a red herring to cover up all the other faults of corporatist America. |
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| Only a Floridian could make such an absurd comparison and actually assume they are the same. To think that a doctor in surgery, working on a complex human body, is apparently the exact same thing as a weapon designed to kill or destroy.
These sort of ridiculous comparisons are the poster-child of gun control, as no one with that sort of a warped rationale, should be allowed to own anything that can harm another American.
"The gun issue is simply a red herring to cover up all the other faults of corporatist America." -- Um. One guess who 'profiteers' off guns, ammo, fear, paranoia etc etc etc... lol Hint: who do you think the NRA really represents... |
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| reply to Mr Matt They should be looking at our mental healthcare system and the laws relating to it. You will never stop every mass shooter, but there are at least two instances (VA Tech. and Tucson) where the authorities knew that the person was mentally ill but nobody did anything about it. The Tucson shooter was even kicked out of his college by the campus police because of his issues, but they didn't do anything more than that. Once he was out of their jursdicition they adopted a "Not our problem" mentality.
The really sad thing here is these people aren't evil, they are just very ill. With early intervention they would have been treated and cured, instead they kill other people, and either off themselves or wind up in the express lane to death row/life without parole.
One might also argue that it's stupid to legislate based on high profile events that are statistically rare. My wife is a teacher and has gone through all manner of training and preparation because of this. Statistically speaking, her school is much more likely to be leveled by a tornado, but the extent of their preparation for that is a single drill once a year. |
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| reply to Telco said by Telco:These sort of ridiculous comparisons are the poster-child of gun control, as no one with that sort of a warped rationale, should be allowed to own anything that can harm another American. So you're going to take away their automobiles, kitchen knives, cleaning products, electrical hookups, and power tools, as well?
People have the inherent right to defend themselves and to access the tools required to effectively exercise that right. This right is recognized in both the 2nd Amendment and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting. It's all about the people having the right to defend themselves against those who would do the harm.
Firearms are simply an equalizer. They enable the weak to protect themselves against the strong. A 90 pound woman can effectively defend herself against a 200 pound man with a firearm. An old man in a wheelchair can effectively defend himself against a group of young men with a firearm. Take away firearms and you give the strong the ability to run roughshod over the weak. The police won't help you, there is a SCOTUS precedent that says they don't even have an obligation to protect you, and even if they did it takes them minutes to respond to a call under the best of circumstances.
It's been over-quoted to the point of becoming a cliche, but it's still relevant: God created man, Sam Colt made them equal. |
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 | reply to Telco said by Telco:Only a Floridian could make such an absurd comparison and actually assume they are the same. To think that a doctor in surgery, working on a complex human body, is apparently the exact same thing as a weapon designed to kill or destroy.
These sort of ridiculous comparisons are the poster-child of gun control, as no one with that sort of a warped rationale, should be allowed to own anything that can harm another American.
"The gun issue is simply a red herring to cover up all the other faults of corporatist America." -- Um. One guess who 'profiteers' off guns, ammo, fear, paranoia etc etc etc... lol Hint: who do you think the NRA really represents... I love how you pull out the "Only a Floridian" line...I may live here, but I'm not from here. I grew up in DC where they have some of the most draconian gun laws in the country next to Chicago and now New York. Imagine that...DC was tops of the gun crime list for many many years until Chicago "won" that title.
Yep...those laws sure do a ton of good don't they?
The Gun industry already has their own lobbying firms, it's not the NRA.
His comparison isn't ridiculous...for some reason "anti-gunners/anti-gun liberals" only care about "death by firearm". They run on emotion and not reasoning.
Prime example....New Yorks new gun "law" they railroaded through their legislature with out due process. Limit ALL magazines to 7 rounds....they forgot to write in an exemption for law enforcement....Oooops!!!!
They apparently couldn't care less about how many children are killed in car accidents or are beaten to death or starved to death in this country.
Never mind the fact that more people were killed by hands and feet according to the FBI last year than ALL rifles combined...but no target and blame those "evil looking" rifles instead of ignoring the mental health, or lack of mental health in this country. |
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 | reply to Crookshanks said by Crookshanks:They should be looking at our mental healthcare system and the laws relating to it. You will never stop every mass shooter, but there are at least two instances (VA Tech. and Tucson) where the authorities knew that the person was mentally ill but nobody did anything about it. The Tucson shooter was even kicked out of his college by the campus police because of his issues, but they didn't do anything more than that. Once he was out of their jursdicition they adopted a "Not our problem" mentality.
The really sad thing here is these people aren't evil, they are just very ill. With early intervention they would have been treated and cured, instead they kill other people, and either off themselves or wind up in the express lane to death row/life without parole.
One might also argue that it's stupid to legislate based on high profile events that are statistically rare. My wife is a teacher and has gone through all manner of training and preparation because of this. Statistically speaking, her school is much more likely to be leveled by a tornado, but the extent of their preparation for that is a single drill once a year. No one did anything about it because the ACLU (read: Liberals) would have screamed and cried about violating said persons "civil rights".
Like I said in a previous reply....Liberals use knee jerk reactions and emotions when it comes to their train of thought. |
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| reply to Telco said by Telco:Only a Floridian could make such an absurd comparison and actually assume they are the same. To think that a doctor in surgery, working on a complex human body, is apparently the exact same thing as a weapon designed to kill or destroy. Damn it man...  On that note, there are alot of things that should be changed as far as what is glorified on tv but you are correct in saying there is no direct relation to nutcases killing people and doctors killing people. --
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1 edit | reply to Seaboogers said by Seaboogers:Prime example....New Yorks new gun "law" they railroaded through their legislature with out due process. Limit ALL magazines to 7 rounds....they forgot to write in an exemption for law enforcement....Oooops!!!! I used to live in New York State, the laws there are insane. It is against the law for you to touch a handgun if you don't have a pistol license. It costs >$100 and takes more than six months to obtain such a license, but it's illegal for you to shoot my licensed gun at the range to see if it's worth pursuing or not. New York City is even more over the top than the rest of the state, their pistol licenses cost >$300, and have to be renewed every two years. The average handgun costs around $500-$600, so you're literally paying half the cost of your property every two years to legally own it. It's the equivalent of paying $10,000 every two years to register your Honda Civic.
Technically it's illegal for my wife to use my licensed handgun to defend herself if someone breaks into the house while I'm not home. Mind you, it isn't likely to be prosecuted, but the fact that it's illegal is beyond absurd.
New York State reminds me of the quote from Animal Farm: All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Case in point: The State Police took a bunch of NYS Legislators out to the range a few years ago and let them shoot handguns, with the objective of showing them what a police officer faces in the line of duty. All well and good in theory, except those Legislators without pistol licenses (most of them) literally committed a felony the moment they picked up a loaded handgun. The State Police assisted in the commission of a felony, something that you or I would receive a prison sentence for, but nobody stopped and asked "Should we do this?", much less discussed the hypocrisy of allowing privileged individuals to break the law without consequence. |
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 | reply to Crookshanks This argument doesn't really work, since the weak don't want to be equal, they want universal weakness, enforced through an all-powerful government. |
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 | reply to Seaboogers I'm not sure that this is true. Liberals love the psychiatric industry, and will support any measure that "protects people from themselves". But...they also can't criticize an obviously incompetent female psychiatrist. Personal responsibility is not a concept, and they always look for group and "cultural" solutions. |
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 | reply to Telco Jealous you are not here? I mean seriously what does his or anyone else location has to do with who he is? Besides he is more than likely talking about direct negligence which is preventable manslaughter; not non-preventable deaths during surgeries or in ER.
What since those people were not killed by guns that makes it somehow OK and less important?
And from what I understood his main point was not exactly straight comparison but more of how guns get demonized and blamed for everything but any other thing killing "kids" and destroying lives is just in the shadows and part of everyday life.
A gas can, fertilizer and a flare can take out more people than a gun so what we should become a sissy state and make everything "dangerous" banned? |
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| reply to Crookshanks I still live in NYS and the way the law was written among the other foolishness is that pistols (semi-auto) are now considered assault weapons. This also covers a lot of pre 70's collector weapons because it used to have 2 features to be an assault weapon, now it's one (like for instance does it have a pistol grip).
Also, much less than 1% of deaths from guns are committed by real "assault weapons", so the law is more of an annoyance than anything else for law abiding citizens, because if you own a pistol this is just going to wreck your day by having to replace your mags.
Humans are pretty stupid, because fear and logic do not mix. Do you pass a law that is likely to impact much less than 1% of the crime, even if assuming criminals don't follow the law to begin with, just because some white people in the burbs were killed by their own? More people are killed or stabbed in 3 months in Buffalo than the last two white suburban shooting sprees.
So somehow killing 50+ people in shooting sprees is worse than 8,000 people spread out.
BTW, the SUICIDE RATE is 2x the murder rate in the US: Problem?
And now homocide rates are almost the lowest in 100 years, even with the population many times larger:
»www.breitbart.com/Big-Government···Year-Low
For instance in Mexico it is largely illegal for citizens to carry guns, they yet over 55,000 citizens were killed last year by violent criminals. They are now creating local posse to deal w/ this.
Now onto Time Warner:
This is funny because the liberals watch movies and have no idea of what a semi-automatic weapon is or how it works, so some "authority" is making these decisions. Now the only guns I see in commercials are from beer commercials and these guns are more deadly than zip guns . This is just some liberal dork again who is lacking logic, making a "rule" that is likely to impact 0.00001% of commercials just because it makes them feel good about themselves.
But by the same token TW will create shoot-em-up movies and magazines no problem because that makes $$$ and well you can't impact the bottom line, so lets get a headline on a no-op. |
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 Ghoul join:2001-02-04 Mastic Beach, NY | reply to Telco said by Telco:Only a Floridian could make such an absurd comparison and actually assume they are the same. Only an "open minded" leftist bigot would be comfortable insulting broad swathes of people based on something as meaningless as geography.
said by Telco:One guess who 'profiteers' off guns, ammo, fear, paranoia etc etc etc... lol Hint: who do you think the NRA really represents... The represent over four million active members, as well as the vast majority of the population who value their 2nd Ammendment rights.
Don't bother discussing this issue with "telco". The only thing he knows about firearms are his "feelings" about them, and knows even less about the Constitution, the 2nd Ammendment, and the intent of their authors. |
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| reply to Crookshanks I learned differently in my upbringing. These so-called strong people that you cite as taking advantage of the weak are also usually self-destructive. They do not consider the repercussions of their actions. This fact should be obvious.
Having a gun does not bring you to a stalemate. A stalemate requires a logically thinking person. These people are anything but or we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
Typical result here is a shootout. -- dnoyeB "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16
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| reply to Ghoul Let me get this straight, you guys have this bizarre love affair with guns, yet it's the rest of us, including every single country in the developed world that has it all wrong and apparently run on "feelings".
Instead of living it up in blue states, how about you pack up and move to the red states that espouse your views first. Nothing more laughable than someone who talks up republicanism yet lives in a blue state. |
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| reply to Crookshanks Well of anyone that stupid yes, automobiles are ironically well regulated after all.
Where does the 2nd amendment specifically give you the right to kill another American 'you' deem a threat?
Firearms are an equalizer for cowards and do not make anyone safer, as guess what, the "bad guys" have guns too. Every single developed nation with gun restrictions or bans have lower homicide rates and that is fact.
The rest are just gut-feelings and cliches, which are a dime a dozen and not based on actual facts or reasons. |
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| reply to Seaboogers Didn't realize that DC had setup up borders and customs points. To prevent people from driving the full 6 minutes into Virginia and buying whatever guns they like.
many years until Chicago "won" that title Actually, you may want to look at the per capita, where gun toting Southern red states lead the pack.
"couldn't care less about how many children are killed in car accidents or are beaten to death or starved to death in this country." - I could have sworn we have been rallying behind this for over 3 decades now. Moreover, it's not as if middle-American Red states have the highest road fatalities and homicide rates in the country.
the mental health, or lack of mental health in this country. - Refer to the previous point; refer to which part is against universal anything. |
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| reply to Crookshanks said by Crookshanks:I used to live in New York State, the laws there are insane. New York State reminds me of the quote from Animal Farm: All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Too bad that NYC has significantly lower homicide, rape, violent crime, and property crime rates that both gun toting Houston and Dallas. |
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