 Phoenix22Death From AbovePremium join:2001-12-11 SOG C&C Nrth Reviews:
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| VISA Account Updater a reference to this little trick may have already been discussed.....i ran a search and found nothing here.......so, forgive me if i'm repeating a thread.
merchants have a tricky little way of scamming naive non technical elderly folk with this app.
i have someone close to me........personally...... that this happened to.
with the help and efforts of a customer service rep at the bank........we have been able to kill and reverse the process.....however....much time, effort, and stress leave a nasty aftertaste.
it usually happens when they find a product on television and think they are purchasing one item ...one time...........actually....they may not be.....and when the card holder tries to put a stop to future transactions...by cancelling their existing credit card.......this product lets the new cc# authorize future purchases.......a .pdf of this program is explained here:
download here: »www.ndmscorp.com/pdflibrary/visa···file.pdf
more reference links here: »www.google.com/search?q=visa+upd···irefox-a
plz excuse my style of typing....i only have 1finger to type with
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| One would hope that Visa, after receiving a number of complaints about a merchant doing that, would disqualify them from use of Updater. It sounds like it would be better to work with the fraud department to flag and stop any future charges from the bad merchant than to get a new card. |
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| not gonna happen...........3reasons come 2mind..... 1. visa makes money on every hit 2. fraud is a tough one 2prove 3. those elderly folks and innocents....... i was referring 2........don't have instant alerts in place...........not w/o the help of a tech savvy family member or friend
i could go on and on......... -- 101ST ABN Div. (AirAssault) "Rendezvous With Destiny!" "Night Stalkers/Phoenix Flight" For Buddy...who lived it! Whiskey for my men and beer for my horses! H.A.L.O!, 5th Grp., MACV SOG, 160TH AVN SOG, Death From Above, VFW, AmLegion |
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 garys_2kPremium join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI | Maybe, but I've had very good luck getting fraud charges reversed and, they told me, it's S.O.P. to then watch for attempts at further charges from the bad guys and deny them. |
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| yes, i agree w/ that as well............and have had the same experiences, personally........ however, my point is really to make folks around us aware of the dangers associated with tv shopping...........
the 75 year old woman that got ripped ......in my post..........never had a chance........and the lag time of my discovery/actions cost her several hundred dollars....... -- 101ST ABN Div. (AirAssault) "Rendezvous With Destiny!" "Night Stalkers/Phoenix Flight" For Buddy...who lived it! Whiskey for my men and beer for my horses! H.A.L.O!, 5th Grp., MACV SOG, 160TH AVN SOG, Death From Above, VFW, AmLegion |
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| reply to Phoenix22 Oh, definitely thanks for the post, I hadn't heard about that before and it's certainly something that can victimize a lot of people. I've often wondered about those late night commercials, if there's some sort of scam involved. Likely not all of them, but it hadn't occurred to me that they may use your card number to "subscribe" to something.
Thanks! |
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| you are welcome...i just hope we can help pass the word....the woman i was referring to......again .......said she didn't purchase this updater............but with double and triple talk............she most likely never even saw what hit her........imho -- 101ST ABN Div. (AirAssault) "Rendezvous With Destiny!" "Night Stalkers/Phoenix Flight" For Buddy...who lived it! Whiskey for my men and beer for my horses! H.A.L.O!, 5th Grp., MACV SOG, 160TH AVN SOG, Death From Above, VFW, AmLegion |
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1 edit | reply to Phoenix22 an update: i now find out.......as of friday..........the program allows the merchant to follow you even if you open a new account..........the ONLY SOLUTION is to totally shut down the card and work with your institutions fraud dept........if you re-open a VISA at any institution the charges will automatically start again........one the VAU completes itz task........
»usa.visa.com/merchants/payment_t···ter.html
Benefits for your customers:
Provides uninterrupted service. Improves customer satisfaction by reducing negative experiences caused by declined transactions. Keeps account update process transparent to customers. --
i'll keep this thread updated as more info becomes available.........
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 jaykaykay4 Ever YoungPremium,MVM join:2000-04-13 Scottsdale, AZ kudos:22 | reply to Phoenix22 I wonder if other merchants/credit card companies have a similar thing going for other credit cards, not just Visa. |
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1 edit | good point.......after 2morrowz legalese...i should have some answers......til then......stay safe......
Automatic Billing Updater Boost Customer Satisfaction and Reduce Customer Service Demand
»www.mastercard.us/merchants/auto···ing.html
Download PDF Here: »www.mastercard.com/us/merchant/p···heet.pdf -- quick advice........never buy anything that requires multiple payments.......with any credit card.......i haven't researched all the other charge cards yet...........but i'll bet they're in place.....
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1 edit | American Express® also has a similar program in place. There's is different in that they don't actually supply the vendor with the new account data, they internally update the old account data transparent to the vendor. Same difference though from the customers perspective. It clouds the line between who is more a threat to the consumer caught in the middle, the card issuer or the thieves who manipulate a system that begs for abuse. |
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 Phoenix22Death From AbovePremium join:2001-12-11 SOG C&C Nrth 1 edit | i.m pretty much guessing here................but i'll wager they ALL do..........discover, etc.
the fraud affidavits are completed and the card is permanently shut down
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| said by Phoenix22:i.m pretty much guessing here................but i'll wager they ALL do..........discover, etc.
FWIW, Discover doesn't update account data to merchants. |
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1 edit | said by Snowy:said by Phoenix22:i.m pretty much guessing here................but i'll wager they ALL do..........discover, etc.
FWIW, Discover doesn't update account data to merchants. really?...........look again Account Updater Eliminate revenue interruptions when cardmembers update information. Automatically provide merchants with updated account information when a card account is expired, compromised, lost or the card product changes Improve cardmember satisfaction by preventing hassles, including seamless continuance of their recurring payments Keep customers recurring payments coming even when credit card information changes. Discover Account Updater automatically updates cardmember information for recurring payment customers, so your revenue, and their service, remain uninterrupted. » www.discovernetwork.com/financia···ter.html-- 05/08 The Discover Network quietly has launched a service to provide updated cardholder-account information from a variety of issuers to merchants that charge recurring payments to credit and debit cards, CardLine has learned. Discover began offering the service, called Discover Network Account Updater, in early May through its acquirers and directly to merchants, Discover representatives tell CardLine sister publication Cards&Payments. "Cardholders' account information can change for a variety of reasons, including expiration-date changes, reissues due to loss or changes in card products," says Beth Horowitz, vice president of product development for Discover Financial Services.
»www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-179066938.html
Card Account Updater Into the Black Hole Making Sense of the Credit Card Reality
Posted by UniBul on Thursday, January 28th, 2010, 12:36 pm »blog.unibulmerchantservices.com/···updater/
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| said by Phoenix22:really?...........look again...
Aah, you are so right & I am so wrong!  Thanks for the correction! |
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 Phoenix22Death From AbovePremium join:2001-12-11 SOG C&C Nrth | you are welcome.... jd |
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 jaykaykay4 Ever YoungPremium,MVM join:2000-04-13 Scottsdale, AZ kudos:22 | reply to jaykaykay Aside from the percentage charge that credit cards are now going to be charging just by using them, this is, if nothing else, a good reason to go back to cash/checks.  |
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| said by jaykaykay:Aside from the percentage charge that credit cards are now going to be charging just by using them, this is, if nothing else, a good reason to go back to cash/checks.  What charge? I get a rebate for using my cards. |
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 jaykaykay4 Ever YoungPremium,MVM join:2000-04-13 Scottsdale, AZ kudos:22 | »www.newsy.com/videos/new-law-let···stomers/ |
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 garys_2kPremium join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI | Oh, a charge the STORES can impose, I see. Oh well, back to AMEX and debit cards if I start to hear that kind of noise. |
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