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fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

[AB] Erratic usenet speeds lately?

Hi,

Wondering if any others have noticed erratic usenet speed fluctuations lately? I think since about Saturday the D/L speed...which normally for the most part is pegged at line rating...has been going all over the map & as result averaging much lower than normal.
This is with the HS25 up until yest morning and HS50 from then on also. This in Edm (central) area and via giganews servers. Can't even get my new HS50 to stretch it's legs yet. Speedtest is fine.

Thx & rgds.



useyep

@208.87.54.x

Yep I'm getting the same thing. SSL or not. Any port.

Crappy throttling.


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

2 edits

....are they definitely throttling? It seems to be leading to that....i've been trying a non nntp port and my average speed went way up.....not consistently pegged, but quite a bit better.
However, i've been doing speedtest around servers in and around wash dc (under giganews techsupport direction) and the speed is actually impaired quite a bit.



nothroth

@telus.net
reply to fatguy

Telus doesn't do that throttling crap(an ISP should always be a dumb pipe and not a puppet of the copyright Maffiaa and also not use DPI to generate profit via users private information), but maybe your anti-virus is causing issues as it sometimes can for whatever reason.

You could always do tracert to see if a 'third party not-so-dumb-pipe' along the way is trying to cut out things it doesn't like.



Link Logger
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
reply to fatguy

I have the Optik 25 and last night the wife had to stop watching Netflix as the buffering drove her crazy, and I can't watch YouTube videos on 1040, so I'm starting to wonder what the heck is going on as I just switch over from Shaw and never had these problems with Shaw. Speed tests come back as seeming reasonable, but the actual performance tends to disagree. I'm in SE Calgary.

Blake
--
Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool


Mike_C

join:2007-07-19
Vancouver, BC

Blake, there are tons of threads out there for ALL ISPs where people are having major issues with YouTube and playing anything over 480p. That is something separate entirely.

Do you have anything running on your network that could be interfering? (ie kids running unrestricted torrents?)



Link Logger
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3

said by Mike_C:

Blake, there are tons of threads out there for ALL ISPs where people are having major issues with YouTube and playing anything over 480p. That is something separate entirely.

Do you have anything running on your network that could be interfering? (ie kids running unrestricted torrents?)

No Torrents here, and I never had a problem running 1080p with Shaw. My reason for switching was upload speeds on Shaw seemed to suck sometimes, but maybe I traded one suckage for another. As soon as Optik 50 is available I'll pick that up and see what happens.

Blake
--
Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool


Link Logger
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3

And now nice 1080p on YouTube, maybe the problem was with YouTube?

Blake


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

2 edits


Im looking for specific feedback from USENET users, as per thread title.......Netflix or Youtube issues don't really fall under suspected nntp throttling.


telususer

join:2006-03-05
Burnaby, BC
reply to fatguy

Netflix Canada or US?

Assuming Canada, are you using DNS servers located near you? Maybe a routing issue in AB? What about different times of the day?


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

see above.


Gardener
Premium
join:2006-10-19
Burnaby, BC
reply to fatguy

I'm in BC with Optik 25 Mbps and haven't noticed any slowdowns with Easynews.


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

......easynews eh? maybe i should switch usenet providers....been a subscirber to an unlimited plan with giganews for a long time....


seriosbrad

join:2006-08-10
Lethbridge, AB

Don't switch providers just yet. I used to be able to cap my connection from Usenet on the 25Mbps plan just fine but I can't seem to get the 50Mbps speeds from Usenet anymore. The first day I upgraded, I got 6.2MB/s download from Usenet, from then on it's been capped at around the 25Mbps package speed of 2.5MB/s to 3.0MB/s... I tried all ports available from my provider, SSL and non-SSL. Figured it was a problem with that provider I purchased an account from another, but the exact same issues.

Even with the two servers combined using SABNzbd, it wouldn't go over 3MB/s. Something is definitely fishy. I consistently get 50Mbps down 10Mbps up results from speedtest.net at all times of the day.

Edit: the two providers I have tested with are Newshosting and Usenetserver


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

Hi seriosbrad.....sounds like a similar situation to what i have here...although, the last 2-3 days before i switched to the 50 line i noticed some consistent speed impairment on the 25 line. I have tried nntp and non-nntp and the the non-nntp ports have made a fairly big difference....i just now D/L a 25Gb block via Sabnzbd+ 0.7.3 and probably averaged 4.5MB/s+....i should be at 6.0+ really, considering my 25 line was pegged for the most part at 2.9-3.0MB/s. I've had the best success with SSL 443 so far.

I've done quite a bit of backnforth w/ giganews techsupport over the last day or two.....there does appear to be erratic/impaired speeds between the server clusters i get routed to from my ip...over the 6-7 hops there is high latency and speed variations from one test to the next of 10-15+ Mbps. They said they looked into a 'speed ticket' that would route my ip specifically over a more efficient route to their servers...but my max D/L seems to be in the neighborhood of the max speedtest to a location in close proximity to their servers. They suggest with a line averaging 52+, the weak links along the way are now the limiting factor...which would have been hidden with a 25 line. Doesn't explain why i've had the problem on my 25 line also. Something isn't right as you say.

I may switch out usenet service just to reduce cost...i'm a bit horrified to see my rates compared to other outfits...signed up a long time ago, when giganews had way longer binary retention than anyone else. Who do you like? Easy? Astra? Supernews?....other?

Thx.


seriosbrad

join:2006-08-10
Lethbridge, AB

4 edits

I also used to be on Giganews as well, but these smaller guys like Astranews and Usenetserver offer high speeds and much cheaper plans with good retention.

The $10 Usenetserver package, is a great deal. You won't have a problem hitting your 50Mb cap when Telus gets their shit together, I have personally been with them for 3 years now.

Edit:
»www.usenetserver.com/partners/ng···han=DEAL

Edit:
I just tried supernews, since they have a free 3day/10gb trial. Same results. I averaged 2.8MB/s on all ports.

Assuming they are not throttling, how do we get Telus to look into fixing this?

Edit:
Here is a reply from usenetserver support:

You're the third person in a row to have Telus and report slow speeds. What's odd is that there is no middle man, your ISP directly peers with our ISP, so you should have one of the better connections. There's nothing more that I can do for you on your end, but I'll put this with our other traceroutes - if we can get a few more like it we can make a case for investigation. Thank you for your time and patience in this matter.

-Dan
Usenetserver Support

So if there is no 'middle man'. Is Telus throttling usenet, for sure?


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB

I don't know.....i guess it would start with sufferering through the nightmare that is Telus tech-support & then see where that takes you.

When i get a chance today i am going to trial a couple other usenet providers & see what the speeds are like. Also going to try and reverify the difference between say port 119 and 443. Intitially there was quite a large jump for me ~~1.5-2.0 MB/s

If you run a speedtest that is located roughly where your usent providers servers are, what are the speeds?



South_of_22

join:2009-03-23

I noticed that from 8am to 11pm MST I only get 1/2 my connection speed when using Usenetnow (Readnews). And from 11pm to 8am I can usually almost max out my connection.


parrelium

join:2005-07-31
Abbotsford, BC
kudos:1
Reviews:
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I use astraweb, and lately, instead of the full 6 MB/s i also get a slowdown from around 9 in the morning until after dinner time, but it seems to be around 4 MB/s at the minimum. Maybe it's the news server that can't keep up? Steam is also significantly slower during those times but seems to be faster when there isnt a large sale on or it's later at night...



South_of_22

join:2009-03-23

Well, just as I guessed.

Seems to be some sort of throttling going on from 8am to 11pm MST on usenet server side, not ISP.

Currently maxing my connection at 52.7Mbps.
24.8Mbps from 8am-11pm MST.


pb2k

join:2005-05-30
Calgary, AB
kudos:1
reply to fatguy

With 2 connections to newshosting last night (around 10:30), I was pulling 1.4-1.6 MB/s pretty solid on Optik HS 15. I can get it up to 1.97MB/s but it normally takes 6+ connections to do that... not really worth the bother unless I'm in a rush.


seriosbrad

join:2006-08-10
Lethbridge, AB

1 edit

15Mbps and 25Mbps plans have been easy to cap over Usenet and always has been. The issue is the suspected bandwidth throttling for Usenet with the 50Mbps plan.

Edit:
I've just tested Usenet provider #4 with the same results on 50 connections.


ruiner

join:2012-03-10
Canada

Or maybe one of the links along the way is too saturated to handle a 50 mb connection? Do you really think Telus can DPI a SSL connection?


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB
reply to seriosbrad

..brad, did you try any speedtests off of servers in proximity to your usenet providers servers? Ive done a lot of testing over the last few days and:

i) i get speedtest impairment that seems to match my impaired usenet speeds when i speedtest to same area as usenet servers. Local speedtest is at max line rating 52Mb/s

ii) i haven't been able to repeat the speedbump i noticed switching from 119 to 443 etc...which would have been evidence of throttling.....so i still have issues on both type of ports.

....for me right now it looks like a remote bottleneck in web traffic


fatguy

join:2006-07-21
Edmonton, AB
reply to fatguy

I was able to test a couple other news hosts & for the most part:

i) all of them have erratic speed fluctuations on port 119 and appear to be much more consistent on 443.....difficult to tell if the average speed is higher on 443. Giganews was the worst of them all. (i compared the same number of connections across all of them)

ii) the new news host i have settled on i can pretty much maintain 5-8-6.2MB/s but the extra amount of connections i can carry is making a difference also.

iii) if i pair any of them up and pull off both simultaneously then i can peg my line at 6.3-6.5MB/s with no significant speed fluctuations on port 119 or 443.

.....so i guess from this i can say it's bottlenecking at some remote interweb branch(s)?


seriosbrad

join:2006-08-10
Lethbridge, AB

2 edits

A couple days ago I powercycled my Actiontec 3 times and ever since then I've been pulling exactly 6.95MB/s from my new easynews account over SSL on port 119. Guaranteed, on every new file. Easynews also allows for unlimited connections and the ability to change routes on-the-fly from the member control panel.

On usenetserver it would flucuate around 5MB/s - 6MB/s.

Anyways, I think there are now too many factors to consider to make a pin point decision. It seems like new 50MBps accounts just need some re-syncing sometimes to get a good connection. Reminds me of dial-up.