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urbanriot
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[Rant] Phone scamming bastards now calling when people sleep...

I have no news link to this other a conveyance from myself and a colleague, we both received scam calls while we were sleeping from an Indian sounding woman who deserves the wrath of someone good with a baseball bat.

Called me last night from 618 462 8724 ... at 3:00 AM !!! Him they called around midnight (we both have the same city code so they're working down the list)

Calling says the number's disconnected yet googling states this number's been doing this for years so I'm guessing they're probably spoofing it. »800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-618-462-8724

Scary tactic, you wake people up in the middle of the night when they're too tired to think straight.



rodjames
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Re: [Rant] Phone scamming bastards now calling when people sleep

If you have a cellular phone, there are a bunch of good Blacklist/Whitelist apps. I use Blacklist Pro for Android, works great on keeping pesky calls/txt/voicemails off my phone.



neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON
reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

I have no news link to this other a conveyance from myself and a colleague, we both received scam calls while we were sleeping from an Indian sounding woman who deserves the wrath of someone good with a baseball bat.

Called me last night from 618 462 8724 ... at 3:00 AM !!! Him they called around midnight (we both have the same city code so they're working down the list)

Calling says the number's disconnected yet googling states this number's been doing this for years so I'm guessing they're probably spoofing it. »800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-618-462-8724

Scary tactic, you wake people up in the middle of the night when they're too tired to think straight.

I ignore my phone from 1am to about 6am. If its an emergency they can leave a message. I can do this of course at the stage of my life.

Sounds to me like its the same Pakistani centre that was mentioned in the previous thread.


donoreo
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reply to urbanriot

Usually they are good on the time difference. Something must be wrong with their system.



Tkavil

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I was receiving scam calls from a supposed law firm in Toronto. I can't remember the name but they were threatening court action against us unless we paid some sort of debt we had towards their client. They gave us an ultimatum of 10:00am the following day and I just hung up and ignored them. When I did a quick search of the name of the law firm she was claiming to be from, google turned up threads of people with the same question as me. These con-artists are getting more elaborate, and more annoying by the day!



lugnut

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reply to urbanriot

I LOVE my Panasonic phones. They have "Talking Caller ID." If the call is from someone in my phone directory it speaks the name aloud and if it's an unknown caller it reads the number off the caller ID. I also have call screen with Bell so nobody can get thru unless they release their number so that eliminates the "unknown numbers."

What that means in practice is I can wake up to the ring and the phone will tell me if it's an important call or not without my having to lift my head off of the pillow. If it's a telemarketer it goes to voicemail after 4 rings and I go back to sleep

The Panasonics are excellent phones, but that feature alone makes them worth double the price!



urbanriot
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said by rodjames:

If you have a cellular phone, there are a bunch of good Blacklist/Whitelist apps. I use Blacklist Pro for Android, works great on keeping pesky calls/txt/voicemails off my phone.

My cell phone's fine and mine is configured to automatically sleep when I'm sleeping so no one can get through.

I can't really disable the land line at night as I could easily get an emergency call concerning a family member or an emergency request for work.

Right now it's just the one time so it's not something I'm really going to do anything about, other than rant

said by neochu:

Sounds to me like its the same Pakistani centre that was mentioned in the previous thread.

The woman that called me wasn't Pakistani. Could be Indian, I don't speak Hindi and their country is large enough to have all manner of accents...


urbanriot
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said by lugnut :

I also have call screen with Bell so nobody can get thru unless they release their number so that eliminates the "unknown numbers."

It's too bad they're spoofing this number of showing their number but that's still a good idea regardless!


neochu

join:2008-12-12
Windsor, ON
reply to urbanriot

you know parts of Northern India and Pakistan are of the same ethnic groups right?

And unless you for whatever reason are able to tell between a Northern Indian accent vs a Southern Indian accent there is a chance it could be...

said by urbanriot:

said by lugnut :

I also have call screen with Bell so nobody can get thru unless they release their number so that eliminates the "unknown numbers."

It's too bad they're spoofing this number of showing their number but that's still a good idea regardless!

Sadly call blocking is a cat and mouse game because its like malware. Better to follow the white-list and only accept calls from numbers you are expecting or can recognize with call display.


lugnut

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said by urbanriot:

said by lugnut :

I also have call screen with Bell so nobody can get thru unless they release their number so that eliminates the "unknown numbers."

It's too bad they're spoofing this number of showing their number but that's still a good idea regardless!

Actually the service is called "Call Privacy" with Bell and it comes bundled with "Call Screen." Altogether I have them bundled with 4 other Bell services for an extra $8 or so per month.

Call Screen allows me to block up to 12 numbers (Whoop de doo!) but my Panasonic Phones allow me to block another 50 numbers, so actually between the two I've got most of them covered.

As for the Call Privacy, it takes them by surprise. Yeah they may spoof their numbers, but they're usually too lazy to change it from call to call so blocking it once usually takes care of it for up to a few months. The way it works is if they call from an unlisted number, it asks them to either hit * to release their number to my caller ID or else enter a phone number manually. Either they get stupid and release the number or else they get lazy and enter an obvious bullsh*t number.

Either way, the telemarketing scum become easy to spot and block if they are persistent and otherwise if it's a family member listed in my dial directory it reads off the name. Otherwise I can pretty much tell a legit unknown caller by the area code. Chances are, if it's anyone I need to hear from in an emergency it will be a 905 area code. The rest I let go to voicemail.

And for the Coupe de Grace, if it goes to voicemail, I prefaced my outgoing voicemail message with a standard phone company SIT tone that tells the autodialers that my line is out of service before it gets to my away message. Usually at that point it drops my number from their call list.

Between all this firepower I get remarkably few telemarketing calls these days.

The only ones with incredible stamina left are the duct cleaning guys and them I just scream "F*CK YOU!" into the phone the second I hear the word "Duct" and slam it down. After a couple of weeks of pure abuse even those idiots got the message.

Anyway, I attached the SIT tone to this message in case you want to use it yourself.

At this point I have the telemarketing calls down to about one every two or three weeks now.


urbanriot
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said by neochu:

you know parts of Northern India and Pakistan are of the same ethnic groups right?

She didn't respond to me in punjab so I'm guessing that's not the case here and most of the Indian call centers are in / around Delhi or Maharashtra. I'm assuming the scammers are in the same locations as the legitimate call centers but if I'm wrong, I'd be interested to know!

It's become an enjoyable past time of mine to determine the location of scam callers. Concerning language, the trick is to learn words that are identifiably different from other languages yet similar enough along all dialects of the same language. Insults are hard since they're usually more regional.

The most aggressive, hostile one I've encountered was in the Philippines.


neochu

join:2008-12-12
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LOL they actually were talking to you in another language?

That's different then broken english for sure where you can tell by word expressions, tones, inferences, and other things as to where the call is located from.

The call centre industry is the call centre industry no matter what country it is in. Its all about the contract as to who is legitimate or not and what the operator is willing to do...

The big names in BPO will tend to turn down contracts (for standardization) that break the laws in the country of service so its always going to be a small independent operator who thumbs their noses at said country's laws.

Larger corporations will also shy away from companies that may house illicit programs (if its found out of course)

This isn't to say their all alike of course as anyone with an autodialer and a computer can be caught doing things like this. Those are easy to find though and its usually the rouge centres that do the majority of calls.



lugnut

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BTW, usually once or twice a year I purge the blocked numbers and start fresh again because usually by that time they've dumped all their old numbers.

Still you can't argue with the results. After a month or so of reblocking all the new and old numbers I'm back down to one or two calls per month again.



urbanriot
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said by neochu:

LOL they actually were talking to you in another language?

It depends on who you get, the well spoken saucy English sounding gentlemen are professional enough that you'll never get them to stray from their act. He's Steve from Microsoft and he's sticking to it. "Oh, you want to speak to my supervisor?" "This is Jim, how may I help you?" Fuck.

But the other ones, when you lead them down a virtualized hell hole of remote activities, you'll get them to jibber jabber to whoever's near them or I game them by throwing some words out there in various language to see if I get a bite.

I always kick myself after the call, cause I always forget to record them...


neochu

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Sounds like quite the entertainment. Though not at 3am at least.


peterboro
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said by Tkavil:

I was receiving scam calls from a supposed law firm in Toronto. I can't remember the name but they were threatening court action against us unless we paid some sort of debt we had towards their client. They gave us an ultimatum of 10:00am the following day and I just hung up and ignored them. When I did a quick search of the name of the law firm she was claiming to be from, google turned up threads of people with the same question as me. These con-artists are getting more elaborate, and more annoying by the day!

I was probably the phony "Law office of Paul Kupferstein & Associates" and their scam. They called me last year and provided me with numerous hours of fun as I taunted and threatened them and then pretended to pay up and then taunted again and rinsed and repeated until they wouldn't take my calls anymore.

»800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-905-47···45962937

MichelR

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Fortunately hasn't happened to me, but this reminds me that I should really set up that IVR on my voip.ms account so that it would intercept calls made during the night (e.g. press "1" if it's an emergency, press "2" to leave me a message and let me sleep, you freak).


mr weather
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We've had the phone ring at 4am before but it was some fax machine trying to make a connection. Bastards.
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rodjames
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reply to urbanriot

Good point. I can spoof my ANR to be any number I want, INCLUDING THE NUMBER I AM CALLING. Weird to be getting a phone call from yourself eh!



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The iPhone has a "do not disturb" feature where you give it a time range to not ring the phone, but they have an option for emergency calls where the same person calling you again within three minutes will bypass do-not-disturb.

So if you tell people who have "emergency wake" privileges, you can tell them to call a second time immediately to bypass the do-not-disturb.
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Grappler

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reply to lugnut

said by lugnut :

but my Panasonic Phones allow me to block another 50 numbers, so actually between the two I've got most of them covered.

With my Panasonic system I can actually block up to 100 numbers, two different models being used. Additionally they also have a sleep function whereby once activated the phone will not ring after 9:00 PM unless the telephone number is in my phone directory's "white list".

Now if only the CRTC would amend regulations/tariffs to force the phone companies to include the "privacy" feature at no cost to the consumer, except for the present exceptions. Obviously we all know the feature is an added value to the phone companies, but they can recover their fees from the fines imposed on the telemarketers.


lugnut

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said by Grappler:

Now if only the CRTC would amend regulations/tariffs to force the phone companies to include the "privacy" feature at no cost to the consumer, except for the present exceptions. Obviously we all know the feature is an added value to the phone companies, but they can recover their fees from the fines imposed on the telemarketers.

Actually the rat bastards at the phone companies are making money at both ends of the deal. They sell the call centers all of the sleazy spoofing and dialer services and then charge the consumers for a means to detect and counteract it.

If the CRTC REALLY gave a sh*t about consumer protection the entire business of cold calling telephone sales should be shut down and made illegal.

Really there are no winners in this fight except for Ma Bell and Robbers


donoreo
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reply to Grappler

said by Grappler:

said by lugnut :

but my Panasonic Phones allow me to block another 50 numbers, so actually between the two I've got most of them covered.

With my Panasonic system I can actually block up to 100 numbers, two different models being used. Additionally they also have a sleep function whereby once activated the phone will not ring after 9:00 PM unless the telephone number is in my phone directory's "white list".

My Panasonic does not have this
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lugnut

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My Homage to the Phone Companies and Telemarketing Scum...


lugnut

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reply to donoreo

said by donoreo:

said by Grappler:

said by lugnut :

but my Panasonic Phones allow me to block another 50 numbers, so actually between the two I've got most of them covered.

With my Panasonic system I can actually block up to 100 numbers, two different models being used. Additionally they also have a sleep function whereby once activated the phone will not ring after 9:00 PM unless the telephone number is in my phone directory's "white list".

My Panasonic does not have this

Are you sure your panasonics don't have it? Take a scan thru the menus and look for something called "sleep mode."

My phones are almost 5 years old and they have it.