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nwrickert
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reply to chrisretusn

Re: Alan Cox Calls Fedora 18 "The Worst Red Hat Distro"

said by chrisretusn:

Why? The only browser I prefer is Firefox and yes I was was annoyed that Firefox was not available but, it is Fedora KDE and KDE comes with Konqueror.

That's a good reason why selecting KDE shouldn't automatically select firefox.

But that's beside the point.

The main point is that I already downloaded the DVD, and firefox is part of what I downloaded. It should be available as an option extra selection when installing from the DVD.

Otherwise, stop producing DVD images and require installing from the live KDE distribution.
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said by nwrickert:

The main point is that I already downloaded the DVD, and firefox is part of what I downloaded. It should be available as an option extra selection when installing from the DVD.

Indeed!
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chrisretusn
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said by nwrickert:

The main point is that I already downloaded the DVD, and firefox is part of what I downlo

Well OK, I can sort of see your point. That said, what stopping you from opening the DVD and installing the package from there?

Should all of the packages on the DVD be available as on option extra selection?

The way I see it the DVD is there to give you some choices, mostly related to desktop environment. Additionally the Firefox version on the DVD is 17.0.1, so the more up to date version will still have to be downloaded.

I'd say it's pretty well explained here: »docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fed···x86.html - 9.9.Software Selection
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nwrickert
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said by chrisretusn:

Should all of the packages on the DVD be available as on option extra selection?

The old installer (as in Fedora 17) was a lot more flexible.

The new installer is an unwarranted dumbing down.
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Well I decided after a few installation runs of Fedora 18 into a VM that I would tackle my real systems. I always clean install Fedora while retaining my /home directory.

I did this on both my desktop and netbook, and I had no real issues. I did have to use system-config-date to change the system time from UTC to Local time, as both systems dual-boot Windows. This issue is listed in the F18 Common Bugs.

»fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F1···ure_this

The installer is awful, but I manged to use it. Installed the proprietary Nvidia drivers from RPMFusion on my desktop with no problem. I also took this opportunity to move from Gnome 3 to KDE on both systems.
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said by rexbinary:

The installer is awful....

One of the few replies that used a single word for it, even shorter that AC's 'useless.'


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said by Ryan:

Yea, I went through one of the worst upgrade experiences I think I have ever had, or at least have had in a long time. With that said after my work desktop was made unbootable I did a fresh install and even then just starting fedora took forever. Enough was enough and switched over to kubuntu + kde backports. I am pretty happy for now anyway.

You and AC just wait for any major upgrades. There is a reason I am a vocal hater of Ubuntu distros. Not just the bloat/lackluster compiling(especially for i686 packages), commercialization, and general slowness in comparison to almost any other distro(including even Fedora and OpenSuse). When you push that dist-upgrade, hold on tight!! This is the only distro that left me with critical errors, or worse, an unbootable system after a major version upgrade. This is even with only stock repositories enabled(third party get disabled anyways). Laughable you have to burn a CD/DVD/USB stick just to push an error-free upgrade that should not require this. I been pushing Debian upgrades to a server for years. Only downtime it's had was upgrading and the reboot after. You can't even trust Ubuntu to come back online after that's done(your network might break or the whole system might). Would like to see if AC still thinks
Fedora is the worst after a few months with Ubuntu.
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said by spacce:

i installed it a few days ago and the installing was "bulky" in my opinion.. of course though i haven't installed previous versions or CentOS , but I did not like the install at all.. though..

CentOS installs quick and painless. Both are RedHat based, but Fedora seeks a home on the desktop, while CentOS seeks a home on the server. Thus, a CentOS install tends to be minimal, by default.
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reply to rexbinary

I always install Debian that way. I am surprised Fedora offers a Wifi option for install. Usually an installer loads minimal drivers. Debian is wired only for a net install. If that seems to be Fedora's main installer issue, people need to stop being lazy and just plug it in



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reply to nwrickert

said by nwrickert:

said by chrisretusn:

Should all of the packages on the DVD be available as on option extra selection?

The old installer (as in Fedora 17) was a lot more flexible.

The new installer is an unwarranted dumbing down.

I do agree the new installer needs work. I don't think it's all that bad though. There are a far worse installers out there.
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FiReSTaRT
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Kinda sad when the author prefers an Amazon sales platform to that desktop system.



chrisretusn
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Yeah... I am removing that particular platform from all of my systems for that very reason.
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reply to rexbinary

said by rexbinary:

I am installing it in a VM right now first to see how it installs and runs. This is the first time I have not just cleaned installed on my main Fedora machines the latest version with no looking back. I can say so far I am in the crowd that doesn't like the new installer at all. It's possible I may skip this release for 19, we'll see how it goes though.

I tired installing it in a VM but it keeps locking up every time (least under vmware).


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said by Sr Tech:

I tired installing it in a VM but it keeps locking up every time (least under vmware).

I used VirtualBox. The Fedora DVD and the Spins installed without issue.


LordMael

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I find it interesting about all the issues people have had in this forum post with fedora18. I installed it fine in virtual box with no issues, installed it fine on my work machine (separate HDD) with no issues and firefox was installed by default and available in the activities launcher right at the top. Perhaps my choice of using gnome instead of say KDE / XFCE etc made everything "just work" but I'm not sure.

The 200+ meg download post install includes not only patches but a full kernel upgrade (at least fedora / rh want you to have something newer than the ubuntu / canonical camp gives you)

also i had no issues setting up evolution to work with my corporate email (exchange 2010) via exchange-ews add on that is easy to install and doesn't require a reboot for my account settings to stick like it does in ubuntu 12.04 / 12.10.

all in all, so far in my experience between ubuntu (since 10x through 12.10) and fedora, i'm liking fedora more. (also the fact that they're not so far in bed with amazon that even my desktop searches do not include links to movies and books is a nice touch)

Oh well, I guess compared to the rest of the people in this forum topic I've had a rare case of simple, straight forward and easy to use install of fedora 18...



BBBanditRuR
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You're not alone, but I too feel pretty rare - I was able to make my way through the installer, got my nvidia card working (akmod/rpmfusion), got Steam up and running, playing TF2 yesterday. I really like Fedora's Gnome implementation, it's really grown on me since they introduced it, I believe in F16.


LordMael

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Horray I'm not alone!



chrisretusn
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All of my installs went well also. I installed to a Sony Vaio laptop and to VirtualBox, no problems.
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