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easonin
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reply to NOVA_UAV_Guy

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Correction, that right was not given to us, it was only listed as a human right. Just as we have a human right to do with our own bodies what we wish.
I really hope you're not saying that it is right for other people to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body! Because I don't want to tell anyone what they can or can't do, as nobody should be able to tell me the same. So, yes, all drugs should be decriminalized, not just cannabis or alcohol or aspirin.
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pawpaw

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reply to NOVA_UAV_Guy
said by NOVA_UAV_Guy:

Firearms ownership is a right specifically granted to us; consumption of specific substances is not.

Let me introduce you to the 9th and 10th Amendments, which are there for this exact reason. However, I agree with protecting others.

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant."
John Stuart Mill


Snakeoil
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We have more important things to worry about. Like getting firearms away from law abiding citizens. We can't keep them out of the hands of criminals, so we might as well take them away from the people that obey the laws.

Besides, I don't care if the government walks into my house and helps themselves to anything they want. I have nothing to hide, and I'm not afraid to share anything that i own.

*Please note the use of sarcasm.

As a law abiding citizen, I find it offensive when someone out there makes comments like "I have nothing to hide". As American citizens, we are supposed to have rights that prevent the government from spying on us.

That fact that our government has no problem in stepping on those rights, and that their are citizens that don't care if it does, is a damn shame.

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reply to seamore
said by seamore:

said by gruntlord6:

said by seamore:

and that's all i have to say about that.

Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails.

Believe me, they wont find anything exciting.
People should worry about things that MATTER.

So if you don't consider constant and overreaching government surveillance important, what *does* matter? Oh, right, in your world view, only corporations can do evil, and the government remains ever vigilant of your rights, always beneficent.


seamore
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said by MrBungle87:

So if you don't consider constant and overreaching government surveillance important, what *does* matter? Oh, right, in your world view, only corporations can do evil, and the government remains ever vigilant of your rights, always beneficent.

I'd rather have the gov. snoop on me than a corporation.
Corps are greedy organizations and will do anything (including breaking the law) to make a dime.

The governments only reason to snoop is for crime and NOT to make money.


Camaro
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Neither do I, my penis pump and my library of porn everyone needs to know, Also if the government wants to look at my wife's dildo collection sure come on in, and of course my hemorrhoid cream, forgot to mention that, oh and every personal info about your medical history they need to know because as you said nothing to hide. That was sarcasm people just needed to point that out.

Sorry I will fight tooth and nail to hold on to the few privacy's we have left.


seamore
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said by Camaro:

Sorry I will fight tooth and nail to hold on to the few privacy's we have left.

the thing is, the common person can not fight tooth and nail for privacy. This version of tooth and nail is bitching and moaning on the interwebz.

Im surprised that some of you allow the US government deliver your mail.


DataRiker
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So please share all of your personal info right now, right here or you are obvious troll.

And before you give some objection please specify how Government workers are more trustworthy than random people on the Internet.


seamore
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said by DataRiker:

So please share all of your personal info right now, right here or you are obvious troll.

And before you give some objection please specify how Government workers are more trustworthy than random people on the Internet.

GTFO! Im not sharing personal info to people freely. That's not what this is about. How did this thread turn from the government "snooping" on people to citizens freely offering their private info to the public?

Fucking ridiculous.

I understand, you and many others dont like government when a "D" is in charge. Howver, it's all mums when the "R" is. The government will ALWAYS do shit that you dont like. At times, there's stuff they do that i dont like. However, bitching and moaning on the internet will not and never change how the gov. functions.

And im not trolling. I honestly dont care if the gov snoops me. Really, i dont. If the gov. wants to know that i sell watches online or that i run a girlie website, I DONT CARE. If they want to see if im engaging in "bitch and moan" threads like this one, I DONT CARE.
If they want to see if im purchasing drugs online that contain the legal, but regulated Pseudoephedrine or Ephedrine, I DONT CARE.

Honestly, why do you care so much that " I dont care"?


Camaro
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reply to seamore
said by seamore:


the thing is, the common person can not fight tooth and nail for privacy.

Oh yes I can sir, by not giving into the "I have nothing to hide" is a start for me. No I wouldn't be standing at my door with a shotgun if people in black vans come a knocking, but you damn sure my 1 vote will go to a politician who has at least a few of my privacy concerns in mind. I will never have that mentality of "come on in nothing to hide here". But we are still a free country so we each have our own opinion of the situation.


seamore
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said by Camaro:

said by seamore:


the thing is, the common person can not fight tooth and nail for privacy.

Oh yes I can sir, by not giving into the "I have nothing to hide" is a start for me. No I wouldn't be standing at my door with a shotgun if people in black vans come a knocking, but you damn sure my 1 vote will go to a politician who has at least a few of my privacy concerns in mind. I will never have that mentality of "come on in nothing to hide here". But we are still a free country so we each have our own opinion of the situation.

Dont be silly. Politicians dont care about what you want. They are only concerned about which lobby will line their pockets.
Just look at the Patriot Act. Im sure you're upset about that, too, right? Look at the number of Yeas compared to the nays The politicians dont care what you think.\
You really think if someone fires off an email/letter/call to their rep that the rep takes the time to shuffle through all of them? LOL

»educate-yourself.org/cn/patriota···te.shtml

I cant be bothered by this "snooping".


DataRiker
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reply to seamore
said by seamore:

Im not sharing personal info to people freely.

I win.

Also, just an obvious correction on your point, it is not politicians we are concerned about snooping into our personal data, it is some random federal employee who may or may not be on the up and up.


seamore
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said by DataRiker:

said by seamore:

Im not sharing personal info to people freely.

I win.

Also, just an obvious correction on your point, it is not politicians we are concerned about snooping into our personal data, it is some random federal employee who may or may not be on the up and up.

You didnt win anything. This is about those being bothered by government snooping.

dont be an id

You have your opinion that you dont like the gov. snooping and i have my opinion about gov. snooping.
We obviously dont agree.

paranoia is abundant when the D is in the house.


DataRiker
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Perhaps if you didn't have blatantly contradictory points ( Namely, not sharing personal info freely, yet being ok with warrant-less spying ) we could take you seriously.

And your incessant suggestion of political party reasons are equally nausea inducing. ( wanting privacy is now a political party position? )

In short, you don't have a position at all, since essentially you are taking both sides.

I mean your argument is that spying is not ok for a Walmart employee but ok for a Postal employee, yet the postal employee has the potential to do much more harm than the Walmart employee. ( Assuming your mail is more sensitive than your grocery list)

Extremely illogical.


seamore
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said by DataRiker:

Perhaps if you didn't have blatantly contradictory points ( Namely, not sharing personal info freely, yet being ok with warrant-less spying ) we could take you seriously.

And your incessant suggestion of political party reasons are equally nausea inducing. ( wanting privacy is now a political party position? )

In short, you don't have a position at all, since essentially you are taking both sides.

I mean your argument is that spying is not ok for a Walmart employee but ok for a Postal employee, yet the postal employee has the potential to do much more harm than the Walmart employee. ( Assuming your mail is more sensitive than your grocery list)

Extremely illogical.

Bullshit!

Me electing to give you my SS number IS not the same as the government snooping on me for criminal actions. This would be the ONLY reason the government would snoop you.

Walmart has no reason to spy on me. However, they may find financial gain if they track my buying habits and sell that info to a 3rd party. That im against.
The government, or as you say, a federal employee, only reason to look/snoop is to look for any thing breaking the law. They are not trying to make money by spying on me.

christ, it's like talking to a 1st grader.


DataRiker
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said by seamore:

They are not trying to make money by spying on me.

So you judge people's criminal potential on the basis of whether or not they work for the government.

I worked for the government for two years and found the people I worked for way less trustworthy than my time in the private sector.

So I am really curious behind the logic of this one.


seamore
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said by DataRiker:

said by seamore:

They are not trying to make money by spying on me.

So you judge people's criminal potential on the basis of whether or not they work for the government.

No, absolutely not. However, i do find private corporations more unethical than the government.


Camaro
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reply to seamore
Well I don't plan on going to live in a hole so I am stuck here. I am not flaming anyone, but having that attitude permeates into people thinking they can't do anything so the hell with it.

And the Patriot ACT is a whole other ball of wax, I am going to stay on point.

I think we should agree to disagree, you have your camp I have mine and as long as there are at least 2 that's fine by me.


DataRiker
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reply to seamore
said by seamore:

No, absolutely not. However, i do find private corporations more unethical than the government.

So to sum up you don't mind spying by a person hired through the usajobs.gov website, but you are absolutely against a person hired say by Sony Inc.

( Never mind the fact that many people in government came directly from some corporation )


seamore
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said by DataRiker:

said by seamore:

No, absolutely not. However, i do find private corporations more unethical than the government.

So to sum up you don't mind spying by a person hired through the usajobs.gov website, but you are absolutely against a person hired say by Sony Inc.

( Never mind the fact that many people in government came directly from some corporation )

Abso-fucking-lutely!

remember:
Gov. spies for criminal activity
corps spy for monetary gain.

There's a huge difference here that we're talking about.


DataRiker
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Maybe if you live in Hollywood.

Perhaps somebody needs a refresher on the US defense industry.