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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:55:17 EDT

DataRiker posted : Maybe if you live in Hollywood.

Perhaps somebody needs a refresher on the US defense industry.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:41:09 EDT

seamore posted :

said by DataRiker:

said by seamore:

No, absolutely not. However, i do find private corporations more unethical than the government.

So to sum up you don't mind spying by a person hired through the usajobs.gov website, but you are absolutely against a person hired say by Sony Inc.

( Never mind the fact that many people in government came directly from some corporation )

Abso-fucking-lutely!

remember:
Gov. spies for criminal activity
corps spy for monetary gain.

There's a huge difference here that we're talking about.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:23:17 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by seamore:

No, absolutely not. However, i do find private corporations more unethical than the government.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:28:44 EDT

camaro92 posted : Well I don't plan on going to live in a hole so I am stuck here. I am not flaming anyone, but having that attitude permeates into people thinking they can't do anything so the hell with it.

And the Patriot ACT is a whole other ball of wax, I am going to stay on point.

I think we should agree to disagree, you have your camp I have mine and as long as there are at least 2 that's fine by me.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:19:28 EDT

seamore posted :

said by DataRiker:

said by seamore:

They are not trying to make money by spying on me.

So you judge people's criminal potential on the basis of whether or not they work for the government.

No, absolutely not. However, i do find private corporations more unethical than the government.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:47:56 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by seamore:

They are not trying to make money by spying on me.

So you judge people's criminal potential on the basis of whether or not they work for the government.

I worked for the government for two years and found the people I worked for way less trustworthy than my time in the private sector.

So I am really curious behind the logic of this one.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 02:48:37 EDT

seamore posted :

said by DataRiker:

Perhaps if you didn't have blatantly contradictory points ( Namely, not sharing personal info freely, yet being ok with warrant-less spying ) we could take you seriously.

And your incessant suggestion of political party reasons are equally nausea inducing. ( wanting privacy is now a political party position? )

In short, you don't have a position at all, since essentially you are taking both sides.

I mean your argument is that spying is not ok for a Walmart employee but ok for a Postal employee, yet the postal employee has the potential to do much more harm than the Walmart employee. ( Assuming your mail is more sensitive than your grocery list)

Extremely illogical.

Bullshit!

Me electing to give you my SS number IS not the same as the government snooping on me for criminal actions. This would be the ONLY reason the government would snoop you.

Walmart has no reason to spy on me. However, they may find financial gain if they track my buying habits and sell that info to a 3rd party. That im against.
The government, or as you say, a federal employee, only reason to look/snoop is to look for any thing breaking the law. They are not trying to make money by spying on me.

christ, it's like talking to a 1st grader.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:06:28 EDT

DataRiker posted : Perhaps if you didn't have blatantly contradictory points ( Namely, not sharing personal info freely, yet being ok with warrant-less spying ) we could take you seriously.

And your incessant suggestion of political party reasons are equally nausea inducing. ( wanting privacy is now a political party position? )

In short, you don't have a position at all, since essentially you are taking both sides.

I mean your argument is that spying is not ok for a Walmart employee but ok for a Postal employee, yet the postal employee has the potential to do much more harm than the Walmart employee. ( Assuming your mail is more sensitive than your grocery list)

Extremely illogical.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:25:55 EDT

seamore posted :

said by DataRiker:

said by seamore:

Im not sharing personal info to people freely.

I win.

Also, just an obvious correction on your point, it is not politicians we are concerned about snooping into our personal data, it is some random federal employee who may or may not be on the up and up.

You didnt win anything. This is about those being bothered by government snooping.

dont be an id

You have your opinion that you dont like the gov. snooping and i have my opinion about gov. snooping.
We obviously dont agree.

paranoia is abundant when the D is in the house.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:37:52 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by seamore:

Im not sharing personal info to people freely.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:18:49 EDT

seamore posted :

said by camaro92:

said by seamore:

the thing is, the common person can not fight tooth and nail for privacy.

Oh yes I can sir, by not giving into the "I have nothing to hide" is a start for me. No I wouldn't be standing at my door with a shotgun if people in black vans come a knocking, but you damn sure my 1 vote will go to a politician who has at least a few of my privacy concerns in mind. I will never have that mentality of "come on in nothing to hide here". But we are still a free country so we each have our own opinion of the situation.

Dont be silly. Politicians dont care about what you want. They are only concerned about which lobby will line their pockets.
Just look at the Patriot Act. Im sure you're upset about that, too, right? Look at the number of Yeas compared to the nays The politicians dont care what you think.\
You really think if someone fires off an email/letter/call to their rep that the rep takes the time to shuffle through all of them? LOL

»educate-yourself.org/cn/patriota···te.shtml

I cant be bothered by this "snooping".

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:16:11 EDT

camaro92 posted :

said by seamore:

the thing is, the common person can not fight tooth and nail for privacy.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:21:26 EDT

seamore posted :

said by DataRiker:

So please share all of your personal info right now, right here or you are obvious troll.

And before you give some objection please specify how Government workers are more trustworthy than random people on the Internet.

GTFO! Im not sharing personal info to people freely. That's not what this is about. How did this thread turn from the government "snooping" on people to citizens freely offering their private info to the public?

Fucking ridiculous.

I understand, you and many others dont like government when a "D" is in charge. Howver, it's all mums when the "R" is. The government will ALWAYS do shit that you dont like. At times, there's stuff they do that i dont like. However, bitching and moaning on the internet will not and never change how the gov. functions.

And im not trolling. I honestly dont care if the gov snoops me. Really, i dont. If the gov. wants to know that i sell watches online or that i run a girlie website, I DONT CARE. If they want to see if im engaging in "bitch and moan" threads like this one, I DONT CARE.
If they want to see if im purchasing drugs online that contain the legal, but regulated Pseudoephedrine or Ephedrine, I DONT CARE.

Honestly, why do you care so much that " I dont care"? :uhh:

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:26:19 EDT

DataRiker posted : So please share all of your personal info right now, right here or you are obvious troll.

And before you give some objection please specify how Government workers are more trustworthy than random people on the Internet.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:05:45 EDT

seamore posted :

said by camaro92:

Sorry I will fight tooth and nail to hold on to the few privacy's we have left.

the thing is, the common person can not fight tooth and nail for privacy. This version of tooth and nail is bitching and moaning on the interwebz.

Im surprised that some of you allow the US government deliver your mail.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:12:06 EDT

camaro92 posted : Neither do I, my penis pump and my library of porn everyone needs to know, Also if the government wants to look at my wife's dildo collection sure come on in, and of course my hemorrhoid cream, forgot to mention that, oh and every personal info about your medical history they need to know because as you said nothing to hide. That was sarcasm people just needed to point that out.

Sorry I will fight tooth and nail to hold on to the few privacy's we have left.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:33:10 EDT

seamore posted :

said by MrBungle87:

So if you don't consider constant and overreaching government surveillance important, what *does* matter? Oh, right, in your world view, only corporations can do evil, and the government remains ever vigilant of your rights, always beneficent.

I'd rather have the gov. snoop on me than a corporation.
Corps are greedy organizations and will do anything (including breaking the law) to make a dime.

The governments only reason to snoop is for crime and NOT to make money.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:15:22 EDT

MrBungle87 posted :

said by seamore:

said by gruntlord6:

said by seamore:

and that's all i have to say about that.

Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails.

Believe me, they wont find anything exciting.
People should worry about things that MATTER.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:52:10 EDT

Snakeoil posted : We have more important things to worry about. Like getting firearms away from law abiding citizens. We can't keep them out of the hands of criminals, so we might as well take them away from the people that obey the laws.

Besides, I don't care if the government walks into my house and helps themselves to anything they want. I have nothing to hide, and I'm not afraid to share anything that i own.

*Please note the use of sarcasm.

As a law abiding citizen, I find it offensive when someone out there makes comments like "I have nothing to hide". As American citizens, we are supposed to have rights that prevent the government from spying on us.

That fact that our government has no problem in stepping on those rights, and that their are citizens that don't care if it does, is a damn shame.

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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:13:22 EDT

pawpaw posted :

said by Androidian:

Firearms ownership is a right specifically granted to us; consumption of specific substances is not.

Let me introduce you to the 9th and 10th Amendments, which are there for this exact reason. However, I agree with protecting others.

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant."
John Stuart Mill

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:06:03 EDT

easonin posted : Correction, that right was not given to us, it was only listed as a human right. Just as we have a human right to do with our own bodies what we wish.
I really hope you're not saying that it is right for other people to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body! Because I don't want to tell anyone what they can or can't do, as nobody should be able to tell me the same. So, yes, all drugs should be decriminalized, not just cannabis or alcohol or aspirin.
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:51:18 EDT

firephoto posted :

said by Duramax08:

lol, so what are you hiding then?

... or company espionage, theres nothing to worry about.

You included the primary target of allowable snooping by accident.

The greatest ideas that result in the biggest profits are most always taken from someone else, by various means.

Do you seriously think all these multi-billion dollar corporations who roll over on their back when it comes to data privacy are doing it in the name of patriotism? They allow it because it gives them a free get out of jail ticket when they can just say the data they may or may not of seen was also seen by the gov't so "anyone" could of seen it or given it away so they shouldn't be liable for all the money they may or may not have made from seeing it or using it.

But yea, what I had for dinner and where I bought a pack of gum is "nothing to hide" so who cares...
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:34:10 EDT

seamore posted :

said by Androidian:

Well, weren't you the one that said you have nothing to hide? :) LOL

I was talking about nothing to hide when it comes to breaking any law or engaging in any nefarious activity. Anyway, the government already has my SS number :p

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:34:05 EDT

Androidian posted : I'll agree 100% about the guns, but only 50% about the drugs. Firearms ownership is a right specifically granted to us; consumption of specific substances is not.

That being said, I wouldn't have an issue with laws that treated marijuana on par with alcohol and other substances. Allow personal consumption up to a point (as this consumption doesn't hurt anyone but the consumer), and disallow certain activities (such as driving, operating heavy machinery, etc.) while under its influence to prevent others from being hurt.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:28:51 EDT

Androidian posted : Well, weren't you the one that said you have nothing to hide? :) LOL

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:27:28 EDT

Androidian posted :

said by Duramax08:

lol, so what are you hiding then? seriously, if you arent hiding anything like child porn, terrorist activities or company espionage, theres nothing to worry about.

The concern here isn't whether or not one has anything to hide.

It's whether or not a government constrained by a social contract known as the Constitution and its various amendments continues to act within the confines of those supposed constraints. Unfortunately it does not, and has not for quite some time.

said by Fourth Amendment :

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The portion of the Fourth Amendment relevant to our discussion is in bold above. Note that there are no "except if it's more convenient to do otherwise" or "except if the current administration doesn't like it" exceptions spelled out anywhere.

If, as some will undoubtedly argue, "times change" or "nobody could have foreseen a need", then our Founding Fathers did build outline a method of updating the government's contract with its people: a Constitutional Convention. Rather than secretly doing things by dark of night under clouds of suspicion with barely legal (and somewhat illegal) methods, our government should at least attack our rights out in the open and tell us that it intends to take them away. I'd rather that the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments die a heroic death out in the open than be shredded by a bunch of wimpy bureaucrats and die of a thousand paper cuts.

We have a government that's out of control, not operating within the scope of its legal authority, and some citizens find that acceptable. I guess that President Reagan was right when he said that freedom is always only one generation away from death. It's too bad that it has to be the current generation that wants to kill it in the names of "safety and security", "political correctness", "fairness", or whatever other nonsense they want to call it today.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:31:41 EDT

seamore posted :

said by gruntlord6:

said by seamore:

and that's all i have to say about that.

Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails.

Im more bothered by my info being collected by a corporation and sold to the highest bidder.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:29:14 EDT

seamore posted :

said by praetoralpha:

said by seamore:

I've got nothing to hide

and that's all i have to say about that.

Then what's your Social Security Number?

and that's all i have to ask about that.

LOL, dont be stupid.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:27:28 EDT

seamore posted :

said by gruntlord6:

said by seamore:

and that's all i have to say about that.

Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails.

Believe me, they wont find anything exciting.
People should worry about things that MATTER.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:31:42 EDT

easonin posted : Very good points! I'd like you to check out »www.gunsandweed.com/ , parallels what your saying to a degree.

"Guns and Weed: The Road to Freedom shows, in no uncertain terms, why Freedom of Ingestion and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are equally indisputable civil rights, and why the War on Drugs and the War on Guns are both entirely immoral."
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:25:49 EDT

jc100 posted : What baffles me is that the NRA and the Right are up in "ARMS" about gun laws, but mum on the Patriot Act, FISA, Warrantless Wiretaps, Facility being built in Bluffdale, Utah to data mine our lives, etc.

As a country, I think Americans are single tracked. While the tech savvy amongst us understand the intrusion, the general populous is too oblivious. They choose to neither question nor complain about the loss of freedoms. To exacerbate the mess is many huge corporations behind the collusion are also in charge of our Media. Cox, Time Warner, etc etc. Thus, very little press time is given.

Ultimately, we have the country united around guns but not united around the fundamental gutting of our constitutional rights.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:20:23 EDT

easonin posted : The thing to worry about is where does this end? Or rather, what will be next? If we let this happen, what else would YOU let them do and "not worry about"? That's the concern.
And besides, we all know there are safer ways to hide stuff from "them", no matter who they are!
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:08:57 EDT

Duramax08 posted : lol, so what are you hiding then? seriously, if you arent hiding anything like child porn, terrorist activities or company espionage, theres nothing to worry about. you sound like they are going to sell your info to a third party or something. they are only asking for these request probably for some type on investigation going on that could lead to criminal charges.

or maybe they want to know what kind of toilet paper you buy off of amazon? : P
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:04:35 EDT

praetoralpha posted :

said by Duramax08:

you'll need a warrant for that.

/sarcasm

Or invoke the T or P words. (terrorist, pedophile)

/sarcasm

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:02:23 EDT

Duramax08 posted : you'll need a warrant for that.

/sarcasm
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:56:39 EDT

praetoralpha posted :

said by seamore:

I've got nothing to hide

and that's all i have to say about that.

Then what's your Social Security Number?

and that's all i have to ask about that.

Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:55:52 EDT

easonin posted : Exactly. And, if you don't exercise your rights, you'll lose them. Difficult to do in this case, but just as important. We all need to stand up together against this, even if you do feel the way you do because sooner or later, they'll come after something you do want to protect and there will be no one left to stand with you. Or whatever Niem�ller said!
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Re: I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:34:20 EDT

gruntlord6 posted :

said by seamore:

and that's all i have to say about that.

Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails.

I've got nothing to hide

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:25:44 EDT

seamore posted : and that's all i have to say about that.