Topic 'Re: Just shows...' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942443 en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:14:10 EDT Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:14:10 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27949335
By the way last i checked ATT got the green light from SF city hall to install 700 VRADS, yup the frige is going up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27949335 Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:07:16 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27944294 said by ChampMom:

DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage

I really didn't mean to start a U-Verse vs DSL tech debate, so let me rephrase my comment:

At the exact same time as the U-verse outage, and for the exact same duration, 3 of my clients, all of whom have "business-class AT&T DSL" service at their offices, not U-Verse, experienced the same type of trouble that was being reported by U-Verse customers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27944294 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:51:58 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27944110 said by David:

said by ChampMom:

DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage

+1

I would like to know exactly how a PPPoE ADSL service on completely different equipment ( ATM based) how on earth a uverse Internet outage (IP based service) affected them.

AFAIK, the only way to have that happen would be to have AT&T move the three leftover DHCP customer's in old SWBell territory from the DHCP server on the concentrator to the generic one in the Lightspeed network. And, AFAIK, the PPPoE handoff from the concentrator is from the actual concentrator, no DHCP involved.
And, if I'm not mistaken, the IP ranges are very different, so you would know if you were on the Lightspeed network versus the ATM network.

But, as you stated, the DHCP server in Lightspeed uses certificate based DHCP, so even if one were to be PPPoE or DHCP in SWBell territory using ATM based DSL, you wouldn't have the certificate to receive the IP address because the equipment is set to passthrough to the user, not the device.

So, in other words, we got some grade A derp goin' on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27944110 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:56:21 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943639 said by trparky:

I thought that they are getting rid of their old ADSL network (ATM-based) and moving people over to the new ADSL+ network that's branded as uVerse (IP-based).

That initially was the stated plan, however, the AT&T CEO is on record as saying U-verse expansion is dead.

My point was to expose AT&T's attempt to razzle-dazzle some current ADSL customers into thinking they have U-verse when it simply is a re-branded name change of the old product. (Of course, those would be the unknowledgeable masses who don't read DSLreports.com :) )

Since San Francisco is one of the larger remaining cities without significant U-verse, it remains to be seen if they actually perform the installations, even though they have won the right, through the Courts, to install the neighborhood remote terminals.

Much of the City has underground utilities, which will be expensive to install fiber, so they might choose instead to focus on improving wireless for a better return on investment.

Of course, that leaves San Francisco ripe for picking by our little Bay area ISP gem, Sonic.net ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943639 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:27:33 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943493 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943493 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:47:02 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943486 said by ChampMom:

DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage

+1

I would like to know exactly how a PPPoE ADSL service on completely different equipment ( ATM based) how on earth a uverse Internet outage (IP based service) affected them.

That is like trying to convince an apple it's an orange. Sorry the apple will still be an apple.

I am all for trying to understand, but what you state is practically impossible since that network is ATM based from you to the ISP connect point. Every Uverse Internet customer is security certificate based DHCP.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943486 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:46:05 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943377 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943377 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:18:25 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943310 said by ChampMom:

DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage

Here in San Francisco, AT&T has simply re-branded their old ADSL as the new and improved "U-verse internet."

True U-verse, with fiber to remote terminals, is only available in a very small section of the City, due to complaints over the refrigerator size cabinet placement on neighborhood sidewalks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27943310 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:57:41 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942966 Team A is responsible for the app
Team B is responsible for the server/OS
Team C is responsible for engineering
Team D is responsible for changes
Team E is responsible for network
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Team C pushes a change to Team D, but does not include Team A in what the changes do/mean (they just support stop/start/error trapping, and are app admins)

After the 'change', something goes wrong. Everyone points fingers at team A. In typical fashion 'what changed' occurs, and a backout starts. That's where things get interesting... and all the time is spent, as you have to get the other teams involved, and they are probably offshore, and do not work nights/weekends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942966 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:00:43 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942862 said by ChampMom:

DSL and U-verse are NOT the same thing, not even close. So I can assure you that your "business-class DSL" clients were NOT effected by the U-verse outage

Different lines at the customer end, but around here they both use the same DHCP servers. And that is where the issue seems to be in this area.
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Sadly, AT&T has been rather allergic to spending money. They have a bad tendency to only spend it when they absolutely need it. This is more on the wireline side.

The wireless side is another thing all together different. They've been spending a crap ton of cash on their wireless network as of late.

Actually - wireless falls into that same category. AT&T has always been a day late / dollar short to the party, playing second fiddle with spectrum, deployments to Verizon Wireless. They do have to spend to compete... they're just VERY conservative to the point of pi$$ing off their customers at it.
pew-Verse/POTS/ADSL - its a lot more 'old school' brick and mortar business footprint.. only innovation that can occur is to merge services (triple play), add more functionality to TV, and charge for overages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942850 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:27:52 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942823 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942823 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:19:23 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942633 said by chgo_man99:

And since U-verse is mostly for customers, not business this might be also true as well that they don't consider it to be a critical application.

I have 3 clients on "business-class AT&T DSL" (oxymoron I know) that have been effected by this outage. Luckily for them, the unplug and wait 10 minutes trick has been getting the connection back up for a few hours at a time. But all 3 offices were still having trouble this morning. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942633 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:22:10 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942588 said by ropeguru:

That no matter how big they are they still do not know how to setup a redundant infrastructure.

More like they don't know how to successfully backoff a failed server software upgrade quickly.
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And since U-verse is mostly for customers, not business this might be also true as well that they don't consider it to be a critical application.

But what makes me wonder is why it took it more than 1 day. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942549 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:00:00 EDT Re: Just shows... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Just-shows-27942498
The wireless side is another thing all together different. They've been spending a crap ton of cash on their wireless network as of late.
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That no matter how big they are they still do not know how to setup a redundant infrastructure.

I think it's more that they don't know how to setup a redundant infrastructure that doesn't cost money.
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