Topic 'Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz....' in forum 'PC Hardware Discussion/Reviews' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27937825 en Wed, 22 May 2013 17:51:49 EDT Wed, 22 May 2013 17:51:49 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27948287
The PC innovation offensive is aimed at getting Intel out of the stale "gray square box" PC business, said Dallman. "At some point in time if that didn't change, if new, exciting formats weren't developed and brought to market, that part of the business would die," he said. "What we are trying to do now is take the resources that we have and use them to develop new innovative products for desktops."

From one of the VPs - »www.crn.com/news/components-peri···ards.htm
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It surprises even me that it is worth the R&D cost for AMD and Nvidia to crank out these high-end GPUs that are mostly only used by gamers.

The workstation segment uses many workstation versions of some of the same GPU's as the desktop segment. The GF108 GPU was used right across the board in ever segment, from gamer cards, value cards, enthusiest mobility, workstation mobility and workstation Quadro's. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27948210 Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:41:41 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27946897 said by pnjunction:

It surprises even me that it is worth the R&D cost for AMD and Nvidia to crank out these high-end GPUs that are mostly only used by gamers.

Today's bleeding edge is next year's discount bin. And in 2 or so years, the base for the budget line offering.

Stop innovating, and you'll be out of business in no time.
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And that's why Intel thinks "the end is near" for desktops. They are seeing that mobos will become more of a niche as people (in general) will buy a desktop outright because of the cost factor instead of building.

While the value segment can satisfy most users, I wouldn't underestimate the money that can still be made from custom PCs and gamers.

It surprises even me that it is worth the R&D cost for AMD and Nvidia to crank out these high-end GPUs that are mostly only used by gamers. I'm sure the rise of 3D rendering for media and GPU computing (and consoles to some extent) has helped them spread the costs but still. If it is worth it for them to make those huge custom ASICs, it will be worth it for Intel to provide the CPU options (that share R&D with server/workstation CPUs) and companies like Asus to put together the motherboards.

Most everybody has a hard on for the exploding volume in phones and tablets, but you're looking at $20-40 for an SoC that does pretty much all the computing in those things. Meanwhile a gaming CPU and GPU will both sell for $150-$500+.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27946870 Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:59:47 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27946850 said by pnjunction:

Value is a useful segment.

I opened my mom's Dell computer that I good a really good deal on (i5-2320, 8gb ram, radeon 6450 for $600 a year ago, tried and couldn't beat that build on newegg) and the mobo is stripped right down with only 2 sata ports and 2 ram slots.

No way would I put that in a computer for myself but for my mom, who cares? She's never going to need more than 16gb ram or extra drives. That's the case for many users.

And that's why Intel thinks "the end is near" for desktops. They are seeing that mobos will become more of a niche as people (in general) will buy a desktop outright because of the cost factor instead of building.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27946850 Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:53:20 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27946437 www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-i···670.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27946437 Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:00:40 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944807 www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi···me=Intel

The only manufacturer of Intel boards at NewEgg, that has more models is Asus, Intel is second.
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I opened my mom's Dell computer that I good a really good deal on (i5-2320, 8gb ram, radeon 6450 for $600 a year ago, tried and couldn't beat that build on newegg) and the mobo is stripped right down with only 2 sata ports and 2 ram slots.

No way would I put that in a computer for myself but for my mom, who cares? She's never going to need more than 16gb ram or extra drives. That's the case for many users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944521 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:03:36 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944492 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944492 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:53:55 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944166
... well, I'd personally like to knock out 'budget' and 'value' from the business line but really, most businesses want the cheapest disposable garbage they can get, despite the necessity to pay IT even more than the money they're saving on low cost systems. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944166 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:11:15 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944165 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27944165 Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:10:59 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27940952
If they pared down their SKU list they could probably do a better job of testing and firmware. 20+ options for one chipset is ridiculous, it should be maybe half a dozen. 3 variants, budget/value/premium, for each of uATX and ATX is enough to reach most consumers. Then maybe an extreme ATX (ie the ones with tons of PCIe x16 slots and fancy audio chips on board) and an ITX option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27940952 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:19:15 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27940824 said by pnjunction:

Bottom line is few people were buying Intel motherboards for various reasons and so it made no sense to keep making them.

You're probably right... At the end of the day the kids want the whizbang new features and don't really give a shit who engineers the better products. Your average basement computer fixer' doesn't see the RMA rates of ASRock or ASUS, so they push the average clueless home owner onto whatever latest board has the longest list of features rather than what's the most reliable for them.

Intel had a sliver of the market pie so it would make sense for them to close up shop in that department. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27940824 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:29:39 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27940014
Bottom line is few people were buying Intel motherboards for various reasons and so it made no sense to keep making them.

"What this means to consumers is that desktop PC enthusiasts will still have options, but only as many as vendors such as ASUS, GIGABYTE, and MSI can afford to produce"

He makes it sound like that these guys aren't offering many choices. If anything they are offering too many. I could see that as the desktop market slows (slows NOT 'dies') they will just pare it down a bit to be more efficient. If I look at Z77 on newegg I see:

ASUS (25)
GIGABYTE (23)
ASRock (19)
MSI (10)
Intel (7)

We'll be just fine. Most people probably wouldn't even have noticed Intel dropping off the bottom of that list if they hadn't heard about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27940014 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:03:10 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27939933 benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?o···Itemid=8]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27939933 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:45:39 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27938225 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27938225 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:02:18 EDT Re: Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27937984
It's unfortunate as Intel puts out some of the highest quality, most reliable motherboards on the market... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27937984 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:12:55 EDT Intel getting out of the motherboard biz.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27937825 hothardware.com/News/The-End-of-···-Market/

»www.theverge.com/2013/1/22/39055···erboards

»www.anandtech.com/show/6685/the-···-3-years

We have received news directly from Intel that the company will stop developing new desktop motherboards once the launch of its next-gen Haswell architecture is completed, sometime later this year. This move does not impact Intel’s desktop chipset plans and Intel will support and warranty all of the current products it sells, through the full stated warranty period included with the specific product. Intel also plans on launching and shipping its Haswell-based products for 2013 under its normal sales terms, and will expect deliveries to continue through the normal life of those products (usually 18 months from launch). But post-Haswell, Intel will cease production of standard desktop motherboards. We’re told, however, that the ramp down will not affect non-motherboard products like the Next Unit of Computing (NUC) line up, which will continue shipping, including NUC barebones motherboards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Intel-getting-out-of-the-motherboard-biz-27937825 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:21:48 EDT